Talk:28 Fundamental Beliefs

Copyright

Please do not cut-and-paste the text of the 28 Fundamental Beliefs straight into this article, as this is a copyright violation.

Rather, summarise their content, put it into your own words, quote reliable secondary commentary on the points, etc. See the sections "Text" under Wikipedia:Non-free content#Acceptable use and under the section "Unacceptable use". Colin MacLaurin (talk) 02:29, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Additions

23. Christian views of marriage - Does that article need expanding?

19. 10 Commandments - Anything else for 19?

21. Stewardship (theology) - This needs serious expansion.

16. Eucharist - How about this?

Also, this article should outline differences (if any) between Adventist teaching and those in the articles referenced in one-two sentences. But good start. Shinhan 20:18, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks to the editor who recently expanded the beliefs by copying portions of the fundamentals. Unfortunately I believe this is a copyright violation, as I doubt the fundamentals are issued under the GNU Free Documentation License used by Wikipedia. Quotations may be alright, but not of this magnitude. Please rewrite them leaving a brief summary. Regards, Colin MacLaurin 12:07, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I have a different problem with this: The addition is unsourced, so we can't verify either that it is an accurate representation of what the source says, or what the copyright of the source is. If (for instance) the source is a pre-1937 US source, or it is released into the public domain, quoting it is OK. But without a source, it shouldn't be on Wikipedia.

(The 1st link under "references" has them, (c) 2006, no usage rights granted - but in a form that makes what's here a significantly summarized version. So not QUITE a copypaste job.) --Alvestrand (talk) 19:06, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I have returned that section to how it was before the editor copied the text in. We can't quote a copyrighted source like that - you'll need to write synopses in your own words. --Spike Wilbury ♫ talk 15:50, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

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COPYrisk: The doctrine of God

The section "The doctrine of God" is a straight copy from SDAC: Fundamental Beliefs, which is copyrighted. I don't know if this is a WP:COPYVIO (illegal!), but even if it isn't, it would be much better to have a text that reformulates the text and places it in an encyclopedian context. Rursus dixit. (^mbork³!) 15:13, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

This article is a copyright violation, because of the large extent of quotations. I dealt with this several times in the past for this article, but gave up trying. I will add a few prominent notes to explain this to editors. Would others like to edit the article itself? Colin MacLaurin (talk) 02:07, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

I've tagged the article as a possible copyright violation. --TorriTorri^{(Talk to me!)} 02:20, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed

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28?

I read 19. The other nine? Rursus dixit. (^mbork³!) 20:08, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

I came here to ask about the same thing. It's like looking up the Ten Commandments and only finding six of them. I researched it and I see that at one time the article contained the other beliefs, but they were taken verbatim from copyrighted works. The people who look after copyright violations properly removed them from the article, but that left a big hole. I think it'd be acceptable to use the names or titles for the beliefs, but those are so short that they don't convey much. Ultimately, the ideal thing would be for someone to write short descriptions of each one using two or more sources. Short quotations of key phrases from the beliefs would probably be tolerable, so long as most of the text is our own. I'll get the ball rolling by checking to see if there's an objection to using the heading names. We can start with those and the links to related articles.   Will Beback  talk  06:16, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

I've added a list of the 28 Fundamental Beliefs, but the descriptions are so brief that they don't communicate much. Most of the "see also" links go to generic articles, but a few are to SDA-specific articles. We could proceed by using those as a source, perhaps copying in the intros. If anyone can write original descriptions that'd help too.   Will Beback  talk  23:50, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

The 28 Fundamental Beliefs as "28 Fundamentals"

I think the way this page untitles the 28 Fundamental Beliefs rises questions. Why persist to use a label that is not an official one. I think it does not respect the SDA community, and risks to give the feeling the Adventist Church belongs to the fundamentalist tradition. Thank you for welcoming my suggestion to correct this non SDA title. God bless you in abundance! Jean-Luc Rolland, France. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.183.112.121 (talk) 13:15, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

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why is it that so many SDA articles are so poor in quality 28 beliefs not all listed , without an explanation ? constant use of terms with out a clear definition as an atheist, i have to ask, what is it with you religious, can't you write ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:192:4200:1E42:4D03:E775:34BD:19AD (talk) 21:45, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

And why is there a WP:LINKFARM to a bunch of external Adventist pages in the absence of encyclopedic content? The section The Beliefs will be deleted soon if there is not very good justification.--Jeffro77 (talk) 00:50, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

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moving shared protestant beliefs section to below the Theological beliefs section

This is because you need to know what the SDA beiefs are before you can consider shared beliefs with others. --MindyWaters (talk) 22:56, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Edit warring

@Merlin Immanuel: proposes edits that remove appropriate scholarly context, describing such context as being "in grievance" with the denomination; insert the denomination's official point of view rather than a neutral one; add unnecessary formatting, and are seemingly copied from [1]. Rather than opening a discussion on this page to gain a consensus for their proposed changes after being reverted and requested to do so, they have repeatedly re-added their favored content. Please attempt to gain a consensus rather than edit warring. James (^talk/_contribs) 13:11, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

@James Allison: wants that old irrelevant texts to be retained in the content part of this article. Though there is a question “is that right or wrong?”, the content is not necessary to be mentioned in the 28 Fundamental Beliefs part. Or else we need to give a whole explanation in order to keep the readers not to be mislead/wrongly informed.

Edits made are the summarized contents of each and every fundamental beliefs (since it is already given in “Comment” under the section title “Theological beliefs” to summarize the content and produce, rather than copying form manuscript). More over summarizing doesn’t mean for us to type anything in our article's content part away from the facts given in the original manuscript. The essence of manuscript should surely be reflected in the content of our article (Manuscript – 28 Fundamental Beliefs Seventh-day Adventist, 2015 Edition [2]).

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Comment:

COPYRIGHT NOTICE

Please do not cut-and-paste the text of the 28 Fundamental Beliefs straight into this article, as this is a copyright violation.

Rather, summarize their content, put it into your own words, quote reliable secondary commentary on the points, etc. See the sections "Text" under Wikipedia:Non-free content#Acceptable use and under the section "Unacceptable use"

“Produced it with neutrality” means “not accusing” or “not hurting anyones belief”. We should be more conscious while editing such sensitive s, not to miss lead or hurt other beliefs. The texts I have deleted hurts or contradicts Seventh-day Adventists concept.

Since to avoid conflicts and hardfeelings, I have started a discussion in user talk page of James Allison in “28 Fundamental Beliefs Seventh-day Adventist – Removal of irrelevant text.” But still warred by rejecting the edited briefs of fundamental beliefs and placed the old irrelevant text of accusation.

Merlin Immanuel (talk) 06:24, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

We don't remove content because it "hurts beliefs". Your summaries are too closely-paraphrased to the originals to be appropriate for inclusion without violating copyright rules. Please do not re-add content without gaining a consensus. James (^talk/_contribs) 09:08, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

But irrelevant text will always be irrelevant text. It hurts our belief because it is irrelevant and away from the major concept. To get rid of the conflict the actual passages need to be retained if you agree for that I ll talk with the respective persons in denomination and prepare things regarding copyright. We can work together. Note: still the texts are irrelevant. Merlin Immanuel (talk) 21:35, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Article needs more independent sources - see a comparable article

Virtually every source in this article is Adventist. Look at Thirty-nine Articles for something closer to an encyclopedic article. This article could almost be a web page on Adventist website. Note that to be notable this needs reliable third-party sources discussing it. I'm sure those exist. Doug Weller talk 13:37, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Allenroyboy socks

I had to revert multiple sock edits (WP:BE). Thanks, —PaleoNeonate – 03:31, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Lack of clarity and more copied text

The last sentence in the unclear and must be reworded. It seems to be copied from here, and refers to several concepts that require a more in-depth explanation. --JustinGlen (talk) 21:35, 12 April 2021 (UTC)