Talk:28th Infantry Division (United States)

Precursor unit

Should there be discussion of, or link to, Penna precursor unit? -FZ 21:18, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Shrine

I live right near the shrine for the 28th in Boalsburg. I have pictures of the memorials there that I will be uploading to Wikimedia Commons in the near future. RockinRob^Talk 08:09, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

New Units added to the 28th

FYI, the National Guard has been doing alot of changes lately and now my unit, 2nd 107th Cav OHNG, is part of the bloody bucket. I'll have to find out where exactly where we are attacted to them to edit the current information about the units that are attached to them. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 164.107.253.7 (talk) 17:23, 3 January 2007 (UTC).

"alot" is not a word. Never has been. Never will be. Ever.

Eddie Slovik

Regrettably, Private Eddie Slovik, the only U.S. soldier executed for desertion during World War II, was a member of the 28th Division.

Regrettably? Gee, no point of view there, eh?

It's regrettable in the sense that when you are proud of your late father who served in 28th ID/109th Regiment and you tell people ::about his service, the first thing that comes out of their mouths is, "Wasn't that Eddie Slovik guy in that outfit?"; or "Did he know ::Eddie Slovik?" All because Martin Sheen played Slovik in a TV docudrama in the 1970s. It taints the memories of a military unit was ::the first to cross into nazi Germany during World War II. Yeah, it is regrettable, dude. johncheverly 03:59, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Suggested Addition to 28th ID Reading List

• Currey, Cecil B. Follow Me And Die. The Destruction of an American Division in World War II. New York: Military Heritage Press. 1984. 320 pages, 22 photographs, 10 maps. ISBN 0-88029-285-7

Currey is Emeritus Professor of Military History, University of South Florida and a graduate of the United States Army Command and General Staff College, Fort Leavenworth, Kansas.

--Gamahler (talk) 19:14, 2 February 2009 (UTC0

Added 2009-03-29 - SSG Cornelius Seon (Retired) (talk) 12:59, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Distinctive Unit Insignia: The War of Spanish Succession ended about 1714. Franklin wasn't even born yet; while he might have designed this insignia, I don't think that war couldn't have been the cause. Although Penn was briefly a soldier, he became a Quaker, a pacifist sect that was later transplanted to PA, which he owned.

I bought a Jukar Spain 45 cal black powder pistol at a auction with the inscription of Sgt J P Gest 2nd 111th Inf 28 div. Does anyone have any info on Sgt Gest, or what era this may have been? E Stoltzfus, Ronks, Pa —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paradiseman (talk • contribs) 12:18, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Correction for 28th Combat Aviaiton Brigade

The entry currently lists the 1-224th Aviation Regiment as an Attack unit. The 1-224th AVN is curretly an S&S unit headquarters in MD (with units along the East Coast) under the 42nd CAB. http://www.1-224ssb.org/mission.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agamemnon b5 (talk • contribs) 01:43, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

== Croixe de Guerres/PUC

My understanding is that The Croixe de Guerres on World War II member of the 28th were shown on their service records as Distinguished/Presidential Unit Citations. . . Also, didn't the 28th receive a Meritorious Unit Citation???

Alpha Co 28th Signal Bn 2003-2005

See User talk:Dthomsen8/Userfied Alpha Company for the former section Alpha Co 28th Signal Bn 2003-2005, removed from this article as being not notable, too detailed, and to minor a part of Iraqi Freedom to be made a mainspace article. This decision was made with advice from a distinguished military historian. --DThomsen8 (talk) 14:49, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Alpha Co 28th Signal Bn 2003-2005

Section removed and userfied from 28th Infantry Division (United States) --DThomsen8 (talk) 14:40, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Section created on 22:24, 28 May 2012‎ 72.77.98.98 (talk)‎ . . (86,469 bytes) (+14,857)‎ . . (→‎Company A, 28th Signal Battalion)

MS Word copy of section totaled 2,469 words.

Anyone who wishes to ask about the decision to remove this material can contact me on my talk page.--DThomsen8 (talk) 14:49, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

German Siegfried Line, 28th Division Shrine Sites . . .

Mentions 28th 112th and 109th Regiments. Maps and photos. http://westwall.elvamie.nl/index.php

Nice, concise 28th fact sheet w/links published by ExplorePAHistory.com http://explorepahistory.com/hmarker.php?markerId=1-A-2D8

johncheverly 04:03, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

55th Heavy Brigade Combat Team.

Doesn't this unit need to have its own linked page???

55th Heavy Brigade Combat Team USA / Pennsylvania / Scranton / Adams Avenue, Scranton, Pennsylvania 18510-1004,

55th Brigade (Mechanized) - "STRIKE BRIGADE"

also HQ for the following component units :

1-109th Infantry >(Scranton), 55th Brigade Special Troops Battalion

The 55th Brigade, with a strength of about 3,600 soldiers, is headquartered in Scranton. The Brigade's units are concentrated in Northeastern Pennsylvania. Appropriately, the soldiers of the 109th Infantry Regiment, the element from which the 55th was born, earned the nickname "Men of Iron" for their three-day defense against overwhelming odds during the Champagne-Marne Offensive in World War I.

In 2003-04, the 55th Brigade led "Taskforce Keystone," a major deployment of about 2,000 soldiers of the 28th Infantry Division to Europe to provide force protection and enhanced security in the wake of the September 11, 2001terrorist attacks. While Task Force Keystone was on duty, another 1,100 soldiers from the 28th Division served as the core of the American peacekeeping presence in Bosnia.

Order of Battle

Headquarters & Headquarters Company >Scranton

1-104th Cavalry >(Philadelphia)

4-103rd Armor >(Lewisburg),

1-109th Infantry >(Scranton),

1-109th Field Artillery >(Wilkes-Barre),

228th Forward Support Battalion >(Sellersville).

55th Brigade Special Troops Battalion (frmr 103rd Engineer Battalion) >(Scranton),

www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/army/28id-55bde.... philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2011/03/04/some-pennsylvania-... Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/28th_Infantry_Division_(United_States) Coordinates: 41°25'6"N 75°38'51"W Nearby cities: Middlefield, Le Ray, Antwerp

johncheverly 03:51, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Problems, Serious Problems w/ Factual content of this article.

Link to the historical "Paris photo" is broken http://pictopia.com/perl/get_image?size=457x275_mb&provider_id=38&ptp_photo_id=79689.

More Details are needed: Specifically, This article may require copy editing for 111th Regiment in the Pacific during WWII. Why isn't it mentioned??? http://articles.philly.com/1998-12-06/news/25721056_1_unit-28th-division-civil-war. (August 2013)

This article may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. The specific problem is: PUC. . . Why is it missing???http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/army/1-109fa.htm "In 1942, the unit entered World War Two as the 109th Field Artillery Battalion. The unit served in Europe from France to Germany. During the Battle of the Bulge, the battalion fought valiantly to halt the German Ardennes Offensive. Once its guns were destroyed, the 109th fought as infantry, often in vicious hand-to-hand combat. For its valor, the battalion was awarded a Presidential Unit Citation, the highest decoration a unit can receive.". (August 2013)

I am NOT boldly editing, because every time I do Mr Wiki Know-it-All aka Dennis Brown tries to get me booted with a noticeboard. So let him fix every single error on this site, because no other editor can suit him.User:JCHeverly 06:08, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Guys, you do great disservice to the current members of the unit by glossing over the defeat of the division in the Hurtgen Forest. First Army should have never committed the division to a frontal assault though such inhospitable terrain when an easier route south to the open valley an then northeast to Schmidt was possible. Dying bravely, but stupidly, is not a way to fight in the future. Read pages. 316-326 in The Guns at Last Light before editing my changes to the Seigfried Line paragraph 00:04, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

• Maybe, IF you signed your comment, we could discuss it.User:JCHeverly 23:15, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Suggested Peer Review Improvements.

28th Infantry Division (United States)

This peer review discussion has been closed.
I've listed this article for peer review because…This article underwent extensive revision, expansion, and increased sourcing throughout October 2013. Is it ready for an upgrade to B-Class??? Also, any other CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM will be appreciated. Thanks, User:JCHeverly 23:31, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Comments by AustralianRupert: G'day, good work so far. I don't think it is quite ready for B class yet, but it probably wouldn't need to much extra work to get it there (it probably even has the legs for GA if you are keen). Anyway, these are my suggestions:

• as the table of contents is quite long, you might consider using a TOC limiter, for example {{TOC limit}};
• per WP:SECTIONCAPS "Movie Portrayals" should be "Movie portrayals", same same "Pre-28th Lineage" --> "Pre-28th lineage";
• in the Pre-28th Lineage section, the first paragraph appears to be uncited. For B class within the Milhist project, we usually ask for every paragraph be cited, with a bare minimum of one inline citation at the end of the paragraph;
• "he wisely stated their activities were" --> be careful of your wording here. "Wisely" sounds like you are making a judgement, which is against our neutral point of view policy. I'd suggest just saying "he stated their activities were..." (simply removing "wisely");
• date format: I'd suggest just spelling them out in full. Based on what I've seen at GA and FA levels, there is no need to abbreviate. For instance, "11 Oct. 1917" --> 11 October 1917";
• same as above for ranks: at GA and beyond I believe it is more common to spell them out in full. For instance, "Maj. Gen" --> "Major General";
• "Camp Hancock, Ga" --> spell out in full for non US readers: "Camp Hancock, Georgia";
• in the Pre-28th Lineage section, you have a couple of short paragraphs which I'd look to combine;
• "gained fame as a result of its gallant stand" --> again this is possibly a point of view issue. Probably best to drop the word "gallant" here;
• wikilink John Pershing, American Expeditionary Force, and the various campaigns in the World War I section;
• KIA and WIA --> "2,165 killed", "11,974 wounded";
• terminology: make sure you are consistent. For example currently you have "World War I" and "First World War", as well as "World War II" and "Second World War";
• the link at the end of the final paragraph in the World War I section probably should be converted into a proper inline citation using the ref tags;
• if possible, I'd suggest replacing the dot points in the Interwar period with a paragraph of prose, additionally, the information in the section should be referenced with an inline citation;
• The prose of the World War II section seems to jump straight into the fighting on the Siegried Line without providing enough context for the reader. For instance, what year was this? I assume 1944, but the section doesn't really state it. I'd also suggest adding a paragraph before this on the division's preparations prior to entering combat. For instance, the dot points above the section mention activation at Camp Livingston, perhaps you could write a paragraph mentioning this, as well as training and then how and when it embarked for the ETO?
• A number of the paragraphs in the Post World War II service section appear uncited;
• the Operation Iraqi Freedom section appears to be uncited, as per above, for B class within the Milhist project we tend to ask for at least one citation at the end of each paragraph;
• along with the above, I think the Operation Iraqi Freedom section might be too long compared to the other sections. Is there perhaps a way that this could be condensed using a more "broad brush" approach? Currently it seems a bit unbalanced in this regard;
• the Legacy section also needs citations for B class or higher;
• in the Campaign Participation Credit, I think Antietam should be linked;
• if possible, I'd suggest adding ISBN or OCLC numbers for the works cited in the Bibliography. These can usually be found on worldcat.org: [1];
• Anyway, that's all from me at the moment. Good luck with taking the article further. When you feel it is ready for a B class assessment, please list it for review at WP:MHA. If you have any questions about my suggestions, please feel free to ask for clarification. Take care, AustralianRupert (talk) 00:51, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks for your many suggestions. I'll study them and make them as time permits.User:JCHeverly 01:42, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Comments fom Hchc2009:

• Would be great to see this up at GA in due course.
• Some parts could be wikilinked to add value for the reader; "Benjamin Franklin", "Henry Hoyt" etc. would be worth doing, for example
• Worth checking it through for close paraphrasing/copyright violations. The majority of the "Pre-28th Lineage" section, for example, is taken word-for-word from the copyrighted PA National Guard website.
• The World War II section would be better expressed in prose, rather than bullet points.
• I'd echo AustralianRupert's comment above about sorting out the referencing. Hchc2009 (talk) 12:50, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

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28th Infantry Division / 9th Infantry Division (West Germany)

28th Infantry Division, since 1951 deployed to West Germany, 7th Army, VII Corps, was redesignated in 1954: 9th Infantry Division. This was overlooked here. --88.217.99.128 (talk) 09:21, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Paris parade date?

Could anyone please check war journals/logs/records/newspapers etc. to find out on which date the 28th Division paraded in Paris? Because https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObR9gZslJxM says it was on 28th, but wikipedia pages all say 29th.--Roy17 (talk) 09:56, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

@Roy17: According to 1946's Historical and Pictorial Review of the 28th Infantry Division in World War II, the parade happened on 29 August 1944. That's probably as good a contemporary record as anyone is likely to find.

According to Guard Wars: The 28th Infantry Division in World War II, the 28th ID and other units marshaled on the Paris outskirts on 28 and 29 August and the parade took place on the 29th.

I hope this information is useful.

Billmckern (talk) 12:39, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

@Billmckern: thanks a lot! I'll take your word for it.--Roy17 (talk) 12:45, 15 July 2019 (UTC)