Talk:332nd Infantry Regiment (United States)

Initial discussion

Hello there - I work at the Center of Military History - - there is no copywrite violation on American Armies and Battalefields. This document is in the public domain.

Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by AEF1918 (talk • contribs) 21:25, 28 December 2009

It is? You would probably know better than me if that's the case. If you direct me to a link that verifies that, I will go ahead and remove the speedy deletion tag. Singularity42 (talk) 21:31, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Following up on this, it seems from this page that CMH publications are sold to the public, and the only time it is available for free is "for official educational, training, and commemorative purposes within the Army." Therefore, that would imply that it is not in the public domain. Singularity42 (talk) 21:40, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

The price is to cover manufacturing and distribution costs, not writing costs. Publications produced by U.S. military personnel or federal government in the course of their employment is in the public domain. The Superintendent of Documents has many U.S. federal government publications for sale, but they are also in the public domain. Again, the price is to cover manufacturing and distribution costs, not writing costs. - Eastmain (talk) 22:34, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Another objection

Regardless of a copyright issues above, this article is titled wrong and is too narrow. We might have an article on the 332nd infantry unit, and on various campaigns and battles in Italy in World War I, but the subject of this article is really only a section in one of those broader articles. What this article appears to be is a spin-off from the American Expeditionary Force article, which has the following sentence: "American units fought in two other theaters with Pershing ultimately sending troops to Italy, the 332nd Infantry, and to Russia, the 27th and 339th Infantry Regiments." What is needed is sections in that article on the Italian and Russian campaigns of these units of the AEF. Carcharoth (talk) 01:30, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

I agree with this assessment. There are a couple of options as I see it. One, rename this article 332nd Infantry Regiment (United States) and expand to include the unit's history and involvement in other campaigns as well as this one. Two, move this information to the Battle of Vittorio Veneto page. Or three, move this information to the appropriate section in United States campaigns in World War I. To be honest, I think number one would be best but I don't have any sources to help with that unfortunately. Number three would be second best, and the second is a non-option I feel (as it would create balance issues in the Battle of Vittorio Veneto article). Anyway, that is just how I see it. As stated above, I've got no knowledge of this topic and no sources (I've just come to this article because it is sitting in the "Category:Military history articles with no associated task force"), so I can't really help solve these issues, however I agree that as it stands the article is incorrectly named and also does not meet the military history projects standards in terms of formating, referencing and linking, etc. —AustralianRupert (talk) 23:51, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Agree. Move article to 332nd Infantry Regiment (United States) and include unit history. Newm30 (talk) 02:18, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Concur with the suggested move.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 05:08, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Okay I've moved the page now. — AustralianRupert (talk) 09:27, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

History of the unit

As stated above I don't have any knowledge of this topic. I've found one source that discusses the unit's service in Italy during World War I so I've tweaked the page using this. That is pretty much the limit of what I can do to the article. However, I'm concerned that perhaps the unit has existed at times after 1919. Does anyone know whether it served during World War II also? Can anyone help expand the article? — AustralianRupert (talk) 09:27, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Per here, The 83rd Division served in WWII, but it consisted of the 329th, 330th and 331st regiments. The 84th had the 333rd to 335th. It seems that each division past the 77th had four regimental numbers reserved to it, but only used three - every fourth number is skipped, so there's no 304th, 308th, 312th, etc. It doesn't explicitly say so, but I'm guessing this is because the WWI divisions were square divisions of four regiments, and this organisation persisted when they were organised as wartime formations in 1940ish; some of the National Guard units didn't lose their fourth regiment and become modern triangular divisions until after being re-raised.

Which is to say - a 332nd never saw combat in WWII. It may have possibly have been raised in 1942 and disbanded sometime in the next year, or it could just be that the number was reserved and not re-used. Shimgray | talk | 15:56, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

(July 31 2010) Note to the editors: My neighbor is the grandson of a Corporal H.J. Noyes from this unit. He has some materials which he would like to donate to a historical society or museum or possibly the contents of a journal could be posted here. We have a brief journal of the colonel which contains 3 parts. First, a list of cities and dates in where the 332nd served in France, Italy and Austria. Second, a 7-page speech from Colonel William Wallace to the troops of the 332nd infantry dated Dec 5, 1918 which congratulates and thanks the troops, talks about the campaign and mentions the armistice. Finally, a letter written in this journal by a Sgd Cavan of "Headquarters, 10th Italian Army" written on 11 Nov 1918 in which Cavan awards Noyes with the "Distinguished Service Order", etc. A bit of history here and not sure what to do with it. Please contact me with any suggestions. (Tazman811 (talk) 17:47, 31 July 2010 (UTC))