Talk:3rd Armored Division (United States)

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Maybe it should be mentioned that after General Rose´s death his troops gathered 100 German POW´s and murdered them in revenge. A typical US war crime of that time.

wansleben.de (not on internet as of 26 Dec 2012)

kreis-paderborn.de (not on internet as of 26 Dec 2012)

Malmedy page (On internet, but page it sources from no longer exists as of 26 Dec 2012)

(trasolt@hotmail.com)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 145.253.238.10 (talk • contribs) 11:13, 10 July 2006.

"Typical US war crime?" DMorpheus 07:28, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Sadly, such things happened on both sides.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.173.54.187 (talk • contribs) 10:09, 11 August 2006.

No question it happened on both sides, but MUCH LESS on the Allied side. I fail to see how it can be described as "typical". DMorpheus 12:56, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I can only imagine that an implication from the top author is that more German POWs were murdered during 1943-45 battles in Italy & NW Europe than Allied POWs. Examples of murdered Allied POWs are well known by their countries (e.g., Canadians in Normandy, US at Malmédy).—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.173.54.187 (talk • contribs) 21:19, 11 August 2006. Here is a Jewish source for the outcome for some German POWs, and others, in March & April, 1945: (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/ww2/malmedy3.html)

"Examples of murdered Allied POWs are well known by their countries" That´s right. Examples of murdered German POWs are lesser known. History is written by winners. -- 145.253.238.10 09:51, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

(http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/ww2/malmedy3.html)

The above links are total bullshit but left as is anyway.Awotter (talk) 07:20, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

To include the Jewish Virtual Library link? Are you a veteran? (& if so, when & where?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.14.217.231 (talk) 06:37, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Note that the IP address 145.253.238.10 of the original poster above is in Germany. 173.16.252.154 (talk) 02:04, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Updates as to the status of the original links mentioned are provided above. W. B. Wilson (talk) 20:29, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Watson's relief?

Anyone have details on Gen Watson's relief in Normandy? From my reading it appears the performance of 3AD in Normandy was dissappointing, and the unit was used as separate combat commands until Watson was replaced. It was only after that that it was employed as a concentrated division. But I don't have the details on exactly why he was relieved. DMorpheus 07:28, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Since found that Watson was reduced in rank to Colonel and was assistant division commander of the 29th ID for the rest of the war, according to Blumenson. Still no info on why he was relieved. DMorpheus (talk) 13:40, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

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Lafayette G. Pool

Lafayette G. Pool should be mentioned in this article somewhere... 70.29.210.242 (talk) 00:25, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

He was commander of three Sherman tanks, (an M4A1, and two M4A1(76)W) all of which bore the nickname "IN THE MOOD", and all of which were eventually shot out from under him.

I wonder if this was the reason the Third Herd band played "In The Mood" on the day we crossed the berms from Kuwait to Iraq on the order to attack. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.238.206.135 (talk) 00:26, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Image caption: 3ADNordhausen.jpg|thumb|170px|General Boudinot and 3rd AD Officers question locals after liberation of concentration camp]]

"Locals"?????!!! I didn't think the Wehrmacht had 4F draft dodgers -- whoever came up with that caption, which likely dates from 1945, was probably a REMF whose job was to come up with catchy newsy captions, and hadn't handled a loaded weapon since basic training. The guys being interviewed are probably not even Germans -- maybe they were Frenchmen or Belgians who received an all expense paid trip to work in Nazi Germany, until their work schedule was interrupted by the US 3d Armored Division. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.14.218.248 (talk) 11:31, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Fascinating. Any chance you have proof of this in the form of an actual reliable source? —Ed!^(talk) 14:39, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Here's the caption: "U.S. forces liberated the Dora-Mittelbau (Nordhausen) concentration camp in April 1945. In the original film at the US Archives, medics and soldiers of the U.S. Third Armored Division evacuate sick and dying survivors of the camp, while Brigadier Brigadier General Truman E. Beidinot (commander of the Brigade which found the camp) and his officers question locals." The last name was spelled Boudinot & he was the commander of Combat Command B (not called Brigade) of the 3d Armored Division. I strongly doubt that the commander of CCB would interview two German military aged men in civilian clothes . . . if they were Germans his S2 (Intel) officer would have interviewed them. As stated, it is more likely that they are French or Belgians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.14.218.248 (talk) 11:10, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

In media and memory

Part of the reason the 3rd AD was overlooked in GWI was that Funk removed all embedded reporters before crossing the line. This meant that the 3rd AD had no media coverage and no reporting during ground operations. He reportedly said that this was the worst mistake of his career because his men deserved better. Now - if we can find a source other than "oral history", this might be a useful addition to the media/memory section as it helps explains why in the age of modern media 3rd got overlooked yet again. Rklawton (talk) 03:39, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

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