Talk:419 Tactical Fighter Training Squadron

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419 Squadron RCAF

Nickname: Moose Motto: MOOSA ASWAYITA - "Beware of the moose"

Battle Honours: English Channel and North Sea 1942-1944, Normandy 1944, Rhine Baltic 1942-1944, Fortress Europe 1942-1944, Biscay 1942-1944, France and Germany 1944-1945, Biscay Ports 1942-1945, Ruhr 1942-1945, Berlin 1943-1944, German Ports 1942-1945

The first Commanding Officer was Wing Commander John "Moose" Fulton, DSO, DFC, AFC, a native of Kamloops, B.C. It is from W/C Fulton's nickname, "Moose", that the squadron adopted its moose emblem. A Moose attacking is a fierce fighter indigenous to Canada.

The History

No. 419 Squadron formed at Mildenhall on 15 December 1941 as a Vickers Wellington squadron in No. 3 Group, Bomber Command. It was the third RCAF bomber unit to formed in this country. It started operations in January 1942, converting almost immediately to Wellington Mk IIIs with which it fought on, moving north to Leeming as part of the new No. 6 Group in August 1942. Here in November it re-equipped with Handley Page Halifax Mk IIs, which it flew for the next 18 months on the night offensive against Germany. After three quick moves it settled at Middleton St George in November and stayed there for the rest of its service in Bomber Command. In Operations with the new machine began on 29 January 1943 and continued until the Canadian built Lancaster B.Mk X arrived in March 1944. The new aircraft entered action on 27 April 1944, and the squadron remained active until the end of the war in Europe. In April 1944 the squadron began to convert to Avro Lancasters, using the Mk X which was produced in Canada and flown across the Atlantic. It was with one of these that Pilot Officer Andrew. C. Mynarski won the squadron's VC in June 1944. The squadron remained continuously on the offensive until 25 April 1945, when it flew its last sortie. Moosemen flew a total of 4,325 operational sorties during the war from Mannheim to Nuremburg, Malan to Berlin and Munich to Hanover, inflicting heavy damage on the enemy. As a result of its wartime record, 419 Squadron became one of the most decorated units under the RCAF during World War II. Over a span of roughly three-and-a-quarter years it logged 400 operational missions (342 bombing missions, 53 mining excursions, 3 leaflet raids and 1 "spoof") involving 4,325 sorties. One hundred and twenty nine aircraft were lost on these operations.

Among the scores of decorations won by the squadron were a Victoria Cross (awarded posthumously to Pilot Officer AC Mynarski), 4 DSOs, 150 DFCs, 3 bars to DFCs, 35 DFMs and 1 MC.

It returned to Canada in June 1945 and was disbanded at Yarmouth, Nova Scotia, on 5 September 1945.

Nine years later, No. 419 Squadron reformed as an All-Weather (Fighter) unit at North Bay, Ontario on 15 March 1954, the squadron flew CF-100 aircraft on North American air defence until August 1957 when it then joined No. 1 Air Division Europe to replace No. 414 (Fighter) Squadron in No. 4 (Fighter) Wing at Baden-Soellingen, Germany. On the withdrawal of CF-100 aircraft from operational service, the squadron was disbanded on 31 December 1962. Upon unification of the forces No. 419 squadron became the operational training squadron for the CF-5 Freedom Fighter. With the demise of 433 and 434 CF-5 operations. The squadron role was changed to that of Lead-in-Fighter training and adversary training for the CF-18 Hornet.

No. 419 squadron has been re-formed as a fighter lead-in training squadron at CFB Cold Lake flying the CT-155 Hawk as part of the NATO Flying Training Program

Representative Aircraft Wellington IC (January 1942 - November 1942) Wellington III (February 1942 - November 1942) Halifax II (November 1942 - April 1944) Lancaster X (March 1944 - August 1945) CF-100 Canuck CF-116 CF-5 CT-155 Hawk

Operational History- First Operational Mission in WWII: 11th January 1942 : 2 Wellingtons bombed Brest. Last Operational Mission in WWII: 25th April 1945 : 15 Lancasters bombed gun batteries on island of Wangerooge.

Between Jan '43 to Mar '44, 419 squadron was involved in over 200 sorties involving 2400 crewing operations losing 59 aircraft, a rate of one in every 40. 415 men were either killed or taken POW during those 15 months, averaging 4 crews a month. The average crew survival rate was between 2 and 3 months when about 20 missions would be flown. In general mining operations were relatively safer missions. In particular the attacks on German cities intensified from early Oct when regular 100plus crews were dispatched to bomb Frankfurt, Mannheim, Berlin, Magdeburg, Leipzig and Nuremburg. During March 44 there was much mining as described earlier, but this was the precursor to the 118 crew attack on Nuremburg at the end of the month when Group 6 was to suffer its worst lost of thirteen aircraft in a single sortie.

It has not been possible to trace all of 419’s downed aircraft (for example Sergeant Robert Whitfield’s Halifax Mk.II JD-258 coded VR-K borrowed from 419 squadron for an operation to Wuppertal on June 24/25, 1943 was intercepted by a night fighter and crashed near Eindoven killing the crew which included 2 RCAF personnel) so the statistics will be a little worse than described above.

419 Operations in March 1944.

419 Squadron was, like other squadrons in Group 6, heavily involved in much activity during this month, probably the most active in the run up to the June landings. Rail-yards were successfully attacked at Trappes (6/7), Le Mans (13/14), Amiens (16/17), Laon (23/24), Aulnoye (25/26, Courtrai (26/27)and Vaires-sur-Marne (29/30) as well as mining operations in the Gironde Estuary (3/4), Brest (4/5), Lorient, Brest, St Nazaire, Terchelling Islands (11/12),Heligoland (18/19 and 30/31) and Kiel Bay (22/23). An aircraft factory at Meulan Les Mureaux was bombed on 2/3 March.

The following crew captain names are mentioned in previous sorties for months of February and March: Wing Commander W Pleasance, S/Ldr E Hamber, F/Lt J Snider, F/O W Barclay, F/O B Betcher (promoted from F/Sgt), F/O H Brown (J18028 died 11/07/45), F/O A Byford, F/O G Peek , P/O R Boe, P/O H Eyjolfsson, P/O J Greenidge (J 86525 died 30/03/44 Age 26 on Vaires raid Panel 250 Air Forces Memorial, Runnymede) P/O J Hamilton (C88579 died 24/05/44 Panel 450 Air Forces Memorial,Runnymede) P/O J Quinn (promoted from F/Sgt J 19888 19/04/44 Age 21 Esbjerg (Fourfelt)), P/O G Scade, W/O2 D Robson (J86588 25/05/44 Age 20 Tilburg), W/O J McNary (J85395 died 02/05/44 Age 23 Adegean),F/Sgt I Johnson, F/Sgt Krantz, F/Sgt G Marjoram (joined 419 squadron in Aug 43), F/Sgt McIvor (J85471 28/04/44 Age 24 Maastricht), F/Sgt C Patterson (J85360 23/05/44 Age 22 Rheinberg), F/Sgt H Speight.

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