Talk:608 Fifth Avenue/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Rublov (talk · contribs) 15:00, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Will take a look at this later today. If you're interested, I have a couple of articles awaiting review as well. Ruбlov (talk • contribs) 15:00, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

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Site

• The image doesn't really have anything to do with this section's content.
  • I have moved it down. It used to be that the previous building at the site was discussed in that section. Epicgenius (talk) 23:40, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
• the United States' first building with no columns at its corners — While verified by the source ("According to The New York Sun of Dec. 6, 1930, this was the first structure in the United States without corner columns"), I don't understand what this means. It's also not particularly relevant to the article. Recommend either omitting or replacing with another fact from the NYT article.
  • I have removed it because it's not pertinent. Epicgenius (talk) 23:40, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Design

• 608 Fifth Avenue is a ten-story building... 608 Fifth Avenue was... — Repetitive; start the second sentence with "It" instead.
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 23:40, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
• built by structural engineer E. H. Faile & Co → built by structural engineering firm E. H. Faile & Co (unless this usage of "structural engineer" to refer to a firm is typical)
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 23:40, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
• The planning application to the city's Department of Buildings was submitted by Roy Clinton Morris on behalf of Edward Hall Faile, leading to occasional disputes over who was the building's architect. Hafner worked for Faile for one and a half years. — I find this confusing. Faile was the structural engineer, not the architect, right? So why would someone else submitting a planning application on his behalf bear on who got credit as the architect? In the second sentence, doesn't the structural engineer usually work for the architect, not the other way around?
  • Yes, Faile was the engineer and Hafner was the architect. However, Hafner worked for Faile, and Morris submitted the DOB application with Faile was the architect of record. You're also correct that often, the architect hires the structural engineer, but in this case it seems Hafner was a designer in Faile's office. Epicgenius (talk) 23:40, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
• the Goelet Building was the only such design mentioned in his New York Times obituary in 1947 → suggest changing to mentioned by name as the obituary says "Among the New York structures with which Mr. Hafner was associated as designer is the Goelet Building", i.e. it alludes to other buildings without mentioning them directly.
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 23:40, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
• but the retail space also required large display windows facing the street, which nonetheless were extremely profitable — I don't understand "nonetheless" when I thought the point of having retail was for it to be profitable?
  • I've removed that word, as well as "but" and "also". Epicgenius (talk) 23:40, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
• conform the building's interior with those of nearby buildings → change "with" to "to"
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 23:40, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
• numerous small stores or a large retailer → numerous small stores or a single large retailer, to heighten the contrast
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 23:40, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

History

• hosted a ceremony, giving craftsmanship awards → hosted a ceremony to give craftsmanship awards
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 23:40, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
• The deal generated $70 million for Vornado; at the time, the company was experiencing financial losses due to the COVID-19 pandemic in New York City. → The deal generated $70 million for Vornado, which was experiencing financial losses at the time due to the COVID-19 pandemic in New York City.
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 23:40, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Reception

• In 1931, he presented several workers with medals based on their work on the structure. — This is already mentioned in "History" and not really relevant in "Reception".
  • Removed. (I originally wrote this article 2 years ago and expanded it more recently, hence the redundancy.) Epicgenius (talk) 23:40, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
• architectural critic Lewis Mumford described 608 Fifth Avenue — described it sarcastically, perhaps? Otherwise to a casual reader it's not clear that Mumford's description was meant to be negative.
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 23:40, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

General comments

• Images are either in the public domain or freely licensed.
• No copyvio problems per Earwig.

Just a few comments to be addressed. Putting on hold. Ruбlov (talk • contribs) 19:50, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

• @Rublov: Thank you for your review and comments. I've addressed all these issues now. Epicgenius (talk) 23:40, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

  Great, I'll pass it now. Ruбlov (talk • contribs) 00:16, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

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