Talk:6th Aviation Regiment (Australia)
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Command
edit@Nick-D: Janes reported in December 2021 that the 6th Aviation Regiment was under the command of the new Army Aviation Command.[1] In the Special Forces Group article you cited the Special Operations Command Information Booklet for 6 AVN REGT being part of the Special Forces Group and dated it 2021.[2] The Information Booklet is actually dated November 2020. On page 2, 6 AVN REGT is not listed as a unit and there is no information on it under Special Operations Command Units from page 5 onwards unlike the other units. Its only mention is in page 3 as a supporting specialist under leadership (there is nothing under structure on page 2? maybe a typo it doesn't flow). In January 2021, Defence released an Army ORBAT under FOI that was current as at 31 December 2020 that has 6 AVN REGT under 16th Aviation Brigade. SOCOMD is not in the ORBAT as the person who made the FOI request asked that it be excluded. A Special Operations Command Fact Sheet on the Defence website dated July 2021 that was created for Exercise Talisman Sabre 2021 also has 6 AVN REGT as a specialist support unit in the Special Forces Group. Melbguy05 (talk) 13:38, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Melbguy05: How confusing! Thanks for this though. How do you think we should present this? I suspect that 16th Aviation Brigade is the best option, per the Jane's reference. Nick-D (talk) 07:27, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Nick-D: The cautious approach would be to assume Janes is correct for now and go with 16th Aviation Brigade until better information becomes available to confirm SOCOMD. But that may be a while since Army/Defence didn't even make the Black Hawks retiring public last month. Congrats by the way for Military Historian of the Year for 2021.--Melbguy05 (talk) 09:19, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks! I've just made that change. Given the problems the Army has had with keeping its helicopters in the air, I was dubious about the source saying that this unit had been moved out from under the specialist aviation brigade. Nick-D (talk) 09:25, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Nick-D: It seems that 171st Aviation Squadron has been re-designated to 171st Special Operations Aviation Squadron. In the ORBAT above, there are three squadrons in 6 AVN REGT: 171 SOAS, TRANS COMD and SPT SQN. As the title/appointments of the Majors for these units are OC. 171 SOAS is an acronym for 171st Special Operations Aviation Squadron. The change of designation was made at least from January 2020.[3] The US and Canada also have aviation units using this designation 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment and 427 Special Operations Aviation Squadron. I'm hesitant to move the 171 Sqn article as I don't know the year it was re-designated. 173rd Aviation Squadron is the training squadron for the Regt and 171 Sqn is the operational squadron.[4] I presume that TRANS COMD is 173 Sqn and it has also been re-designated. In the introduction to 173 Sqn I could add that it may have been re-designated without including the acronym and cite the ORBAT.--Melbguy05 (talk) 01:28, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
- Those changes look sensible to me. Nick-D (talk) 07:42, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Nick-D: It seems that 171st Aviation Squadron has been re-designated to 171st Special Operations Aviation Squadron. In the ORBAT above, there are three squadrons in 6 AVN REGT: 171 SOAS, TRANS COMD and SPT SQN. As the title/appointments of the Majors for these units are OC. 171 SOAS is an acronym for 171st Special Operations Aviation Squadron. The change of designation was made at least from January 2020.[3] The US and Canada also have aviation units using this designation 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment and 427 Special Operations Aviation Squadron. I'm hesitant to move the 171 Sqn article as I don't know the year it was re-designated. 173rd Aviation Squadron is the training squadron for the Regt and 171 Sqn is the operational squadron.[4] I presume that TRANS COMD is 173 Sqn and it has also been re-designated. In the introduction to 173 Sqn I could add that it may have been re-designated without including the acronym and cite the ORBAT.--Melbguy05 (talk) 01:28, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks! I've just made that change. Given the problems the Army has had with keeping its helicopters in the air, I was dubious about the source saying that this unit had been moved out from under the specialist aviation brigade. Nick-D (talk) 09:25, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Nick-D: The cautious approach would be to assume Janes is correct for now and go with 16th Aviation Brigade until better information becomes available to confirm SOCOMD. But that may be a while since Army/Defence didn't even make the Black Hawks retiring public last month. Congrats by the way for Military Historian of the Year for 2021.--Melbguy05 (talk) 09:19, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
References
- ^ Grevat, Jon (6 December 2021). "Update: Australian Army launches aviation command". Janes. Retrieved 9 January 2022.
- ^ Australian Army (2020). "Special Operations Command Information Booklet" (PDF). Australian Army. Retrieved 9 January 2022.
- ^ "Australia Day 2020 Honours List" (PDF). The Governor-General of the Commonwealth of Australia. 26 January 2020. Retrieved 10 January 2022.
- ^ Pittaway, Nigel (February 2018). "Vigilance". Airforces Monthly. No. 359. Key Publishing. p. 68. ISSN 0955-7091. Retrieved 10 January 2022.