Talk:9 mm caliber

9mm uses

"A 9mm gun is normally used for grinding out. It can also be useful in protecting lines."

What in the world does this mean? This is an encyclopedia, intended to inform readers who are not experts in a given field. Please define grinding out and protecting lines if you think they are germane to the definition of 9mm caliber. Thank you. -Diego Gravez 17:42, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

References

I added a section for references. I think it's very helpful to document where you get the cartridge dimensions from in case of future questions. Arthurrh 19:35, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Hunh?

Is their a reason that most of the links on this page redirect back to this page? SirBob42 (talk) 01:32, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Spaces

The problem with adding a space after the numbers (9x19mm to 9x19 mm for example) is that the links don't work. The individual cartage pages are listed without a space. SirBob42 (talk) 18:38, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

9mm Largo vs. 9mm Bergman

9mm Largo is different than 9mm Bergman/Bergman-Bayard, as the 9mm Largo case is 22.99mm, the Bergman case is 23.11mm. The velocities and preassures are different as well (9mm Largo in its modern form pushing a 125gr bullet at 1,200fps, the Bergman/Bergman-Bayard had a velocity around 1,100fps with a 124gr projectile). The difference may seem negligable, unless you try to fire a modern 9mm Largo in an antique 9mm Bergman pistol and break something. Also, the existing "article" for 9mm Largo should be changed. ~KJK —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.18.140.88 (talk) 15:03, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

What are we doing with these ones?

9 mm FAR 9 mm FX & CQT 9 mm Federal 9 mm Mauser 9 mm Steyr (Roth) 9 mm Super Comp (9x23Win) 9 mm Win.Mag. 9 x 18 (Ultra) 9 x 21 9 x 22 MJR 9 x 24 KC 9 x 25 Dillon 9 x 25 Super Auto G 9 x 47 R Deutsche Sch・zen 9 x 56 Mannl.-Schoenauer 9 x 57 Mauser 9 x 57 R Mauser 9 x 69 R 9 x 85 MEN xpl. 9 x 90 MEN xpl. 9.12 x 77 Lapua experiment. 9.3 x 53 R Fin. 9.3 x 53 R Swiss 9.3 x 53 Swiss 9.3 x 57 9.3 x 63 RWS (Miller-Greiss) 9.3 x 65 R 9.3 x 66 Sako 9.3 x 70 Mag. (DWM569) 9.3 x 70 R (.360) 9.3 x 70 RWS Exp. 9.3 x 72 R (.360) 9.3 x 72 R Sauer 9.3 x 74 R 9.3 x 75 R (.360)Nimrod 9.3 x 80 R (.360)Nimrod 9.3 x 82 R (.360)Nimrod 9.3-300 WSM 9.5 Tornado 9.5 x 47 R Martini 9.5 x 57 Mannl.- Schoenauer 9.5 x 60 R Mauser Turkish 9.5 x 66 SE v. Hofe 9.5 x 73 Miller Greiss 9.53 Hellcat (Lazzeroni) 9.53 Saturn (Lazzeroni)

380-2-1/4" Rigby. 380 Long Rifle, 31/32" . 375-2-1/2" (375 or 370 Flanged Nitro Express) . 375-2-1/2" Flanged (Fraser's Ratchet Bullet) . 400/375 Belted Nitro Express (400/375 H&H) . 375 Rimless Nitro Express . 375 Belted Rimless Magnum (Holland's) . 375 Flanged Magnum (375 H&H Flanged) . 369 Purdey . 360-2-3/4" Boxer. 45.00 360-2-7/16" . 360-2-1/4" Express (360 Miniature Expr) (coiled) . 360-2-1/4" Express (Nitro, BP or NFBP) . 400/360 Nitro Express, 2-3/4" . 400/360 Nitro Express, 2-3/4" (WEvans.London his) . 400/360 Nitro Express, 2-3/4" (Fraser bullet) . 400/360 Westly Richards Rimless Nitro Express, 2-3/4". 450/360-2-3/8" Purdey . 360 Westley Richards No.3 Express, 1-29/32" . 360 No.3 Gibbs, 1-29/32" . 360 No.2 Nitro Express, 3" . 360 No.5 (Rifle), 1.05" . 354 Ross (354 Rimless). 350 Rigby Magnum . 350 Rigby No.2, 2-3/4" (Rigby his) . 400/350 Nitro 2-3/4" .

.35 Brown-Whelen .35 Lever Power Wade .35 Newton .35 Rem. .35 S&W Auto (1913) .35 S&W Auto (1913) .35 Whelen .35 Whelen Ack. Imp. .35 Win S.L. .35 Win. .35-30 Maynard 1865 .35-30 Maynard 1873 .35-30 Maynard 1882 .35-40 Maynard 1882 .35/284 Win. .35/30-30 Win. .35/348 Win. .350 Howell .350 Jamison .350 Mag. Rigby .350 Mashburn Short Mag. .350 Mashburn Super Mag. .350 Rem. Mag. .350 x 39 mm .351 Win. SL .356 TSW .356 Win. .356 Win. (SAAMI) .357 Auto .357 Auto Magnum .357 Herrett - .358 US .357 Magnum (CIP) .357 Magnum (SAAMI) .357 Maximum (CIP) .357 Maximum (SAAMI) .357 Rimless Mag (223-AR15) .357 SIG .357-44 Bain Davis .358 Ackley Mag. .358 Ackley Mag. Imp. .358 Barnes Supreme .358 Bellm .358 JDJ .358 Lee Magnum .358 Norma Mag. .358 STA .358 Win. .360 #2 N.E. .360 #5 Rook .360 Dan Wesson .360 N.E. 2 1/4 in. (9.3x57R 360) .369 N.E. Purdey .375 Barnes Supreme .375 Dakota .375 Fl N.E. 2 1/2 .375 Fl. Mag. N.E. .375 H.& H. Ackley Imp. .375 H.& H. Mag. .375 Hawk/Scovill .375 Howell .375 ICL Kodiak .375 JDJ .375 JRS .375 Jamison .375 Jurras .375 Noveske (WSM) .375 Rem Ultra Mag .375 Rhino (Teppo Jutsu) .375 Rimless NE .375 Shannon .375 Tyrv蒿 .375 Van Horn .375 Waters Express .375 Weath. Mag. .375 Westley Richards .375 Whelen .375 Win. .375/303 NE W.R. .375/338 Chatfield-Taylor .375/38-40 Rimless .375x444 .376 Steyr .378 Weath. Mag. .38 Auto .38 Ballard Extra Long .38 Casull .38 Long Colt .38 S&W (Colt N.P.) (CIP) .38 S&W (Colt N.P.) (SAAMI) .38 S&W +P (Colt N.P.) (SAAMI) .38 Short Colt .38 Special (CIP) .38 Special (SAAMI) .38 Special +P (SAAMI) .38 Super Auto (CIP) .38 Super Auto +P (SAAMI) .38 Super Comp .38 Super LAPUA .38 TJ +P .38-35 Stevens .38-40 Rem. Hepburn .38-40 Win. CF .38-45 ACP .38-45 Bullard .38-45 Clerke .38-45 Stevens .38-50 Ballard .38-50 Maynard 1882 .38-50 Rem. .38-55 Win. .38-56 Win. .38-70 Win. .38-72 Win. .38-90 Win. Expr. .380 Auto (9mm Kurz) .380 Howell .380 Long Brit. .380 Short Brit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.71.250.173 (talk) 19:51, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

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Proposed move: 9 mm caliber to 9mm caliber

Pretty simple and straightforward -- removing the excess whitespace in the name, to make the page title closer to the actually in-use name of the cartridge and to align with the individual 9mm cartridge pages. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 17:14, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Oppose. Unit spacing is the formal way of writing metric: https://www.nist.gov/pml/owm/writing-si-metric-system-units, https://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/checklist.html Blockhaj (talk) 17:39, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Specific overrides general; SAAMI, the international organization which regulates ammunition cartridges, specifies that the formal name of the cartridge is "9mm" without spaces, something we cite to on this site; and your provided sources give no indication to usage in formalized names, such as for ammunition. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 17:42, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

In print (ammo boxes etc), there is no standardisation. Some boxes features both 9mm and 9 mm. Both are negligible and thus formal metric spelling should take precedence. Blockhaj (talk) 17:46, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

That is factually incorrect. There is standardization both under ANSI and SAAMI, both specifically around the 9mm version. Whether individual ammo manufacturers comply with that is irrelevant to the fact that the standard exists. Per the MOS, Unit names and symbols should follow the practice of reliable sources. and Proper names, technical terms, and the like are never altered. These are technical terms, and there's no more reliable source for ammunition measurements than the direct naming conventions of the organization responsible for standardizing ammunition measurements. Furthermore, in terms of most common usage, "9mm" returns significantly more google results than "9 mm" or any other formatting of the term. Furthermore, almost every single other ordnance and ammunition article on Wikipedia uses the no-whitespace spelling. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 17:55, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Google gives me roughly the same amount of results for either spelling. Blockhaj (talk) 18:25, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

"9mm" 64.8 million results; vs "9+mm" 56.7 million results; and for "9+x+19+mm" only 2.3 million. I wouldn't call those differences "roughly the same." I would call that a significantly demonstrated preference for the "9mm" spelling.⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 18:31, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

A 14% difference is not significant in this case. It shows that no one really cares what SAAMI decides. Blockhaj (talk) 21:24, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

You claimed they were "roughly the same". They are not "roughly the same" -- the clear majority by millions more results is for the SAAMI standard, which definitionally means that claiming "no one really cares what SAAMI decides" is nonsense (as it would imply that less than nobody prefers it the other way). ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 04:24, 23 April 2024 (UTC)