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Suggested changes
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Hi all – following feedback from the kind editors at the Teahouse (ColinFine) I have made an effort to break the updates suggested above into two sections. Hopefully this will make reviewing simpler.
The proposed changes are still the same to address issues with unreferenced material, tone of voice and out of date information regarding Klesch Group.
Thanks again – excited to be working on this! Rosalyn15 (talk) 13:36, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Rosalyn - could you please make it clear which parts are changing and which are staying the same? Talk:Bastion_(agency)#requestedit has an example of a possible way to format this, with old text on the left and new text on the right. Alternatively you can explain verbally, but the diff view is easier if you are making a large number of changes at once as you are here. Rusalkii (talk) 17:57, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
Hi User:Rusalkii – thank you so much for your advice. I have followed this below, replacing the two boxes I had created before with the below side-by-side comparisons. I have broken up my suggested changes into three sections. Hopefully this makes it easier to review. Above each box I’ve left a short explanation of the major changes, but throughout I have looked to balance the tone and remove information I cannot find a source for. Thank you so much for your help. Rosalyn15 (talk) 08:58, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Below are my suggested changes to the opening sections of the article. Here I have focused on re-balancing the tone so that it is less promotional. I’ve also removed any information I could not find references for.
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- In the Quadrex section there is a lot of information that cannot be referenced and as such I have trimmed this material. Where I was able to find sources I’ve added them.
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- In the below I have updated the Klesch section with the latest information and also looked to balance the criticism section, the opening line of which I believe to be very different in tone to an encyclopaedia.
Klesch onwards
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- Thank you! Some thoughts:
- Why did you choose to change the specific industries called out in the lead to the ones you did? The source gives "chemicals, metals and oil".
- I recognize this was not your addition, but "full potential" is not supported by the source. What I'm getting there is that it specalized in bancupt/otherwise financially struggling companies, which is importantly different.
- Overall thoughts on the first section, up to Quadrex: this looks like a clear improvment over the previous content-wise, but I can't verify many of your sources. Some have no links, and others are paywalled. If they've been digitized, can you link them? Otherwise, I recommend adding a brief quote from the source that supports the statment you're sourcing, using the quote= paramenter.
- Will return later for the next two sections. Thank you for your patience! Rusalkii (talk) 06:17, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hi User:Rusalkii – thank you so much for your time.
- In response to your questions I updated the specific industries called out to be in line with the current focus of the business and noted on the point regarding the use of “full potential”.
- I have found a more recent source which reflects the focus industries and included this. I’ve also found a BBC article which describes the specialism and adopted this language. This is all now reflected in the box.
- On the sources, yes, many of those already in the article are quite old and so digital versions are hard to obtain. I have been through the article again and where I can, have replaced these sources with digitalised articles that speak to the same points. There are now just a small number of these older sources from the current article. I hope this will help improve the overall quality. – All of these updates are reflected in the three boxes above.
- Thank you again for all of your time and really looking forward to seeing the article improved!
- Rosalyn15 (talk) 09:12, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Article updates
editThis edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered. |
Hello all, Following updates made to the article by User:Axad12 (Thank you!), I wanted to re-put forward some changes to the second half of the article – namely the Klesch and Criticisms section.
- In the Klesch section, I would like to suggest updates are made to the key figures and description of the business to reflect the current figures and latest news coverage.
- In the criticism section I have sought to balance the tone. The opening line I believe is very different in tone to an encyclopaedia. I have also updated some of the sources that are no longer available with ones still accessible. I have left the last line in, but would appreciate a perspective on if this is truly notable.
A side-by-side comparison and the section in full is below. I’d be very appreciative if someone could review and also share with me if anything else further needs to be done to remove the tags at the top of the article. Thank you Rosalyn15 (talk) 11:08, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Side-by-side – October 2024
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Klesch GroupeditIn 1990, Klesch founded Klesch & Company Limited to specialize in distressed and turnaround investing.[1] Klesch & Co today invests in industrial businesses and refines, markets and sells petroleum products and financial derivates.[2] It employs 1,000 people across 6 locations in 4 countries. In 2023, the Group had turnover of €8.5 billion.[3]
Corporate activityedit
CriticismeditKlesch has been described in the media as a “vulture capitalist” due to a history of investing in struggling businesses and slashing costs. [12] In 2012, Klesch & Co bought the vinyl business division of Arkema for one symbolic euro. Once the acquisition went through the company was renamed ‘Kem One S.A.’. 8 months after the acquisition, the company was declared insolvent putting 1,300 jobs at risk[13] until in December 2013, when industrialist Alain de Krassny agreed to take over the business in association with OpenGate, a global fund. [14]
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