Talk:A (For 100 Cars)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by BorgQueen (talk) 16:28, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that in A [For 100 Cars], an orchestra of cars play the note A for 28 minutes? Source: https://www.musicradar.com/news/this-is-quite-possibly-the-largest-synthesizer-orchestra-ever-assembled
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Herbert Polzhuber
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Moved to mainspace by Schminnte (talk). Self-nominated at 09:54, 27 May 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/A (For 100 Cars); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Schminnte: Good article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 00:50, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Sound sample?

Might someone be able to add a 30-second sound sample? That would be within the FUC. I am really dying to know what this piece actually sounds like, and I'm sure I'm not alone. Daniel Case (talk) 02:09, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

@Daniel Case: wonder if this will do. It's an unofficial recording; best I could find due to the limited performances. YouTube recording (roughly 35 seconds of actual footage) Schminnte (talk • contribs) 08:48, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

If you could strip the sound layer out, this would probably work. Daniel Case (talk) 17:45, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do Schminnte (talk • contribs) 18:26, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately I can't do anything. It's against YouTube's ToS to download videos (and by extension, get an audio file) so I would be very hesitant. Schminnte (talk • contribs) 16:44, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:A (For 100 Cars)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Bilorv (talk · contribs) 18:06, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

I'll take this one. — Bilorv (talk) 18:06, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll preemptively say that for criterion 3a, I have mined every source that I can find on this topic. So although it appears as a short article, I consider it to be sufficiently broad. Schminnte (talk • contribs) 19:13, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Broadness

As you say, the article is on the short side for GA in both prose and reference list. I think there are two things missing for broadness (3(a)):

1. Contextualisation of the piece as part of Ikeda's A project. There's A and A [continuum] and others (FactMag 1, FactMag 2, Ikeda's website).
2. The 15-minute film accompanying the performance (Autoweek).

I also found another review (note that Shana Nys Dambrot appears to be an established, reputable critic).

I'd like to see at least a couple more paragraphs on these topics.

Referencing

I'm satisfied with the reliability of sources. I've spotchecked Tiny Mix Tapes, Create Digital Music, MusicRadar, Lee (2018) and The New York Times. My only issues are with the last:

• "To better emit the sounds created by Takahashi's synthesisers, some drivers opted to open their car's doors" – The source just says that some doors were open, without explaining why.
• I'd like to see the headlights and horns mentioned under "Performance": Mr. Ikeda's composition wasn't limited to the stereo systems; it also took advantage of the cars' headlights, horns and roaring engines.

Copyedits

• A (musical note) doesn't appear to be linked anywhere, surprisingly: it could be in the first occurrence in the lead and body.
• "The idea behind A [For 100 Cars] springs from Ikeda's curiosity with the various frequencies associated to the note A." – This can be made more concise e.g. "Ikeda was curious about the various frequencies associated to the note A."
• Concert pitch should probably be linked somewhere in "Composition", not "Music" (and 9 words is a bit too many to link over; you could use the phrase "concert pitch" itself).
• "A been associated with many different frequencies" – this should be "A has been ..." and probably also "concert A" (as it still is associated with many different frequencies, $440\times 2^{n}$ Hz).
• "sine wave drone" makes a sea of blue so could be rephrased to keep both of these links.
• "A used by ..." reads a little bit oddly. I think you could drop the "A" as clear from previous context, or change to "the A used by ..."
• "from 376.3 – 506.9 Hz" – I think this should be "from ... to ..."
• I think a space is needed before "dB" and decibel could be linked.
• "put the performance on their list of the best performances" – Reword to avoid multiple uses of "performance" within a sentence.

I'm happy with the free images used. I won't require it for GA but, rather than a potentially non-free extract from the performance, I'd like to see a "multiple audio" box of a note A playing on an electronic piano for 5 seconds at different frequencies (maybe even the 6 listed).

This is formally on hold for 7 days but if progress is still being made there can be some leeway with this. — Bilorv (talk) 22:08, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Copyedits and referencing issues should now be resolved; I will wait until I can access a computer to add the references you linked above since I don't trust the mobile editor to not crash. All the best, Schminnte (talk • contribs) 08:59, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Now good on everything but Ikeda's broader A project. — Bilorv (talk) 15:52, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

@Bilorv, hopefully that should be enough context now. The article now stands at almost 1000 words. Are we good to go now? Schminnte (talk • contribs) 21:24, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Yep, I'm happy with the additions. This is a pass for GA. — Bilorv (talk) 21:53, 29 August 2023 (UTC)