Talk:A Double Shot at Love

Moving

Why are we constantly moving a page to a new listing when the screenshot clearly shows that the Name of the show is "A Double Shot at Love with the ikki twins". I mean sure it may be grammatically incorrect, but if that is how it's listed, I think it should follow into the article about it. This is probably the third or fourth move that this article has gone through in the past 2 days so it really needs to be resolved, but as I said the exact title of the show should be reflected in the article. Cheers!--EmperorofBlackPeopleEverywhere (talk) 17:55, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree! Please move it back to "A Double Shot at Love with the ikki twins" 76.164.62.98 (talk) 05:04, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Exactly, which is why I moved it to "the ikki twins" in the first place. It may look strange, but that's what it says on the screenshot. We can't copyedit direct quotes. Plastikspork (talk) 05:39, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Moved again without discussion

I did "google" for "ikki twins" and found the screenshot for the show which I posted here. Should I start a WP:RFC? There is already discussion on the talk page for A Double Shot at Love with the ikki twins, which has already received input from other editors. I'm not sure why there was no follow up discussion before the move. That seems to be the most appropriate place for further discussion, rather than on individual talk pages. Thanks! Plastikspork (talk) 21:39, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

After taking a look at the situation myself, I'm a little confused on why there was no discussion that took place on the article talkpage before the move either. Generally best to bring up an issue on the talkpage rather than just going through with it. Thus far, I commend you for how you've handled this situation Plastikspork. You might wish to start up an WP:RFC; I'd be more than happy to comment. Cheers! Cheers dude (talk) 22:30, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Just as a note to everyone, Plastikspork has gone out of his way to provide this source official MTV webpage for the show which seems to be a perfectly good reason against the move and to have it the way it was. Just my opinion as outsider! Cheers! Cheers dude (talk) 22:38, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

You know, when all of this started, I posed the exact same question. Why is it being moved? I mean honestly, this is getting ridiculous. Every couple of days this page is being moved and trust me, nothing gets me going more than people who refuse to use proper cap rules and all that jazz. But when a show clearly has a title card, web links, character profiles with many inferences to the show and they can disregard it, so should wiki.--EmperorofBlackPeopleEverywhere (talk) 01:19, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

On further thought, I don't think an RFC should be started, just get an admin to step in and make the necessary changes and call it a day. No need for all of wiki to weigh in on something that is clearly finite.--EmperorofBlackPeopleEverywhere (talk) 01:21, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

I have asked User:MerriFunn to join the discussion, so we shall see what happens. I would move it back, but I don't want to engage in a "page move war" since I was the one to move it to the uncapitalized form in the first place. I suppose someone else could technically move it, but it's probably better to wait a bit since that would be a little too WP:BOLD. Thanks for your comments. Plastikspork (talk) 02:24, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Original Format

I think it would be better if you had the contestant chart like it was in the past Shot at Love seasons. Holidayroad92 (talk) 04:54, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree. It looks like (as of the current instant in time) that's what we have. Hopefully the edit war has ceased! Plastikspork (talk) 05:18, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Call-out Table Order

How should we order the call-out table? It seems we all agree that the first column is alphabetical. For the second column (first episode), the eliminated contestants were asked to return their keys, rather than calling out the winners and having the eliminated people not receive keys. In the second episode, they called them out in a sort of alternating order before getting to the end where the eliminated a girl, then had four guys come up with only one allowed to stay. In my opinion, we should try to keep the call-out order in the order they were "called out" unless there is no specific order, in which case alphabetical is fine. This appears to be how it was in this version. However, I don't care too much as long as we can come to an agreement and just go with it. It's tiring to have the order of the list constantly changing. Thanks for your input! Plastikspork (talk) 21:07, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

right and honestly i didnt know why it hadnt been changed before i popped that edit on but if its agreed to stay the way iot was before thats fine by me.--EmperorofBlackPeopleEverywhere (talk) 01:17, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

In past seasons, the first episode was alphabetical because only the eliminated contestants were called. After they were given keys, it became alphabetical. That's why I stopped tryin to fix it cause you kept reverting it, AND you put nick always in the eliminated one, even though he wasn't... When there are past shows with similar layout, the shows must follow the same page layout. We aren't changing the past 2 seasons XD Myzou (talk) 16:35, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

This should be moved

The MTV website indicates [1][2] that the show is called "A Double Shot at Love". All the textual references I see refer to it as such. "with the ikki twins" is the subtitle included in the graphic only. Wander around the MTV website, look at the schedule listings, etc. The show is called simply "A Double Shot at Love". Also note that even if "with the ikki twins" was part of the title, the lack of capitol letters in the graphic would not indicate that this was anything other than a graphical choice. In order for it to be rendered in lowercase as the title of the encyclopedia article it should be rendered in lowercase by MTV in every instance. The twin's MySpace page [3] does call the show "A Double Shot at Love with the Ikki Twins" with "Ikki Twins" capitalized. Finally, also note that even the E. E. Cummings article is capitalized. Boston (talk) 15:54, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

I disagree that it should be moved to A Double Shot at Love with the Ikki Twins. I could agree with moving it to A Double Shot at Love, but only if the with clause is dropped from all other shows in this category: A Shot at Love with Tila Tequila, A Shot at Love II with Tila Tequila, Rock of Love with Bret Michaels, ... What about the use of II for the number 2, as in A Shot at Love II with Tila Tequila? One could argue that is a graphic choice as well. Plastikspork (talk) 16:31, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Has anyone found a single example of the subtitle being presented without capitol letters other than the graphic? Boston (talk) 16:34, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Good point. I agree with your first suggestion to move it to A Double Shot at Love. What about the use of II vs 2 in titles for other shows? Is there something in the WP:MOS about this? Plastikspork (talk) 16:53, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

I find no indication that MTV used a roman numeral "II" in even a single instance. It seems clear the show was called A Shot at Love 2 with Tila Tequila. Boston (talk) 16:57, 15 January 2009 (UTC)