Talk:A Thousand Suns/GA3

GA Review

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Reviewer: Miyagawa (talk · contribs) 17:57, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

• Grabbing this for a review. Miyagawa (talk) 17:57, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for taking this up! I know there are some things I haven't checked that I should've by now. There are a few dead links that I think are fixable (some are not and I think are better left that way). Ref dating might need changed so it's consistent with everything else, but other than that, I await your comments. I have yet to have had a GA pass so I don't know what it needs just yet. dannymusiceditor ^{what'd I do now?} 19:33, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

• No DAB links.
• Yeah, 14 dead links. Best bet is to try archive.org to see if any of them can be resurrected that way, however some of these will be from links you've already archived. So run the external link checker to the right on this page and just check that an archive version of each is working.

Today, I repaired references #42, #46, #59, #60, and #76. #3 and #38 are irreparable. #68 can't be archived, but I can easily find a replacement. dannymusiceditor ^{what'd I do now?} 14:53, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

• Number 3 can be replaced with [1], I'll have a look to see if I can track down something to cover the information at #38. Miyagawa (talk) 16:48, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

• Has the numbering changed? The Billboard cite at #38 appears to be fine. Miyagawa (talk) 16:51, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Possibly. It was a Linkin Park official post regarding the album's release in Switzerland and Austria, but there aren't any archives old enough to view it. dannymusiceditor ^{what'd I do now?} 02:34, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Repaired link #3. dannymusiceditor ^{what'd I do now?} 14:46, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

I am  Done with as many as I find able to be fixed. dannymusiceditor ^{what'd I do now?} 16:11, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

• Per WP:ALT, you'll need to add alt text to your images.

Is this absolutely required? I can give a couple examples of featured articles that have images that don't have alt text. I understand it says "Absent or unhelpful alternative text can be a source of frustration for visually impaired users of the Web", but I don't see anything that says it's required for good or featured standard. That being said, I have added it to some of the images on the article; it's just that I think it would be difficult to give a short n' sweet dose of alt text on some of these images and that it'd require a bit more detail. dannymusiceditor ^{what'd I do now?} 04:33, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Which are the ones you're having trouble with - I'd be happy to give it a go. Miyagawa (talk) 10:32, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

The one of Shinoda in the first paragraph seems tough to keep short and sweet, but I've thought of something for the others. dannymusiceditor ^{what'd I do now?} 13:06, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

I'd probably just go with something as short as "A bearded man plays a guitar." It only needs to give a very broad overview. Miyagawa (talk) 14:05, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

• Lead: It could do with a summary/overview of the main points of the critical response in the final paragraph.

 Done (I think). I added a bit more, but still looks a bit smaller than the others.

• Writing and recording: Maths don't quite add up for that statement in the first sentence. Minutes to Midnight was released in May 2007, so even if work on A Thousand Suns started in January 2008, it'd still be seven months. So I'd drop the shortly - but you could say "less than a year" or similar if the work began prior to May 2008.

 Done dannymusiceditor ^{what'd I do now?} 03:38, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

• Link Mike Shinoda the first time the name appears in Writing and recording since it'll be the first time it appears in the body of the article, and give the the full name as well (the first time).
• Once you've done the previous one, you can remove the links from the image caption in this section.

Both  Done dannymusiceditor ^{what'd I do now?} 03:38, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

• Speaking of that image, you might want to play with the widths of the two images to make them appear the same height as it'll be far neater.

Is this better? dannymusiceditor ^{what'd I do now?} 03:56, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Spot on. Miyagawa (talk) 10:33, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

• Link Hybrid Theory when it appears for the first time in the second paragraph of that section, and delink it from the third.

 Done dannymusiceditor ^{what'd I do now?} 03:39, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

• Tidy the image widths in Style and composition too.
• Delink Berlin, Germany and Madrid per WP:OVERLINK. Świdnica is less known, so keep that.

 Done

• Typo on "Waithing for the End".

 Done

• Cite #15 - remove ungabungaify and replace it as the publisher with You Tube, then remove You Tube from the work section of the cite.

 Done dannymusiceditor ^{what'd I do now?} 14:01, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

• Cite #26 is missing the accessdate and the date on the review itself.

 Done dannymusiceditor ^{what'd I do now?} 14:01, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

• Cite #41 is missing the source details, but I'm not sure that it can be considered to be a reliable source either. Have a look at WP:QUESTIONABLE and let me know what you think.

I don't see what's wrong with it. Appears to be Gundam's official website. I have a feeling you're saying there's something more than just the date of the reference that's missing...what would that be? Or have I fixed it? It doesn't appear to be such a heavy claim, anyway, so I think they'd be okay to use for this little tidbit. dannymusiceditor ^{what'd I do now?} 14:01, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

( hadn't realised it was the official website - in which case that's fine. Miyagawa (talk) 14:09, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

• Same reliable source question about #42.

This one on the other hand, does seem unreliable. I can only find other sites that are equally unreliable, unfortunately. Should I just remove it? Or could I use this (I doubt it)? [2] dannymusiceditor ^{what'd I do now?} 14:01, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

You could use Template:Cite AV media notes and cite the soundtrack for the game? Miyagawa (talk) 14:09, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to do that. Most of those types of videogames don't have liner notes to their soundtrack (I don't think), and I don't have the game to confirm anyway. But I know it's darn well true, I'm just not sure there's any reliable things to back it up. dannymusiceditor ^{what'd I do now?} 20:52, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

There is one! I've replaced it accordingly. dannymusiceditor ^{what'd I do now?} 18:45, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

• Just noticed that you've got a few different capitalisation formats for the official Linkin Park website; linkinpark.com, Linkinpark.com and LinkinPark.com. I personally prefer the latter, but I'd say to go with either the second or third option (and make sure everything matches).

 Done dannymusiceditor ^{what'd I do now?} 18:06, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

• Cites #73 and #132 - I'd recommend that you use template:cite tweet instead of the web one. Both the sources for those tweets are fine, btw.

Fixed the first, and replaced the second one altogether as it had no mention of the game it won it for. Used said replacement reference to fix unreliable source #42 as well. dannymusiceditor ^{what'd I do now?} 18:44, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

• Cite #83 - needs the access date, and you'll need to add the archived source for this as it's linking to a version of the page which doesn't mention Linkin Park at all right now.

Irreparable - no archives before 2013. No additional sources to support this claim, as far as I can find. This seems to be somewhat of a bigger problem that I never noticed. The discography of the band (an FL) and the individual song articles don't even talk about this chart at all, this is the only place I see it. dannymusiceditor ^{what'd I do now?} 14:43, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

• Cite #87 - needs an access date.

 Done dannymusiceditor ^{what'd I do now?} 16:20, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

• Cite #96 - is dead, but not sure it was reliable in the first place.

Doesn't show up dead to me, but I did notice this shortly before the review came and it worried me. I have been unable to find the album's worldwide sales from a reputable source; all I get is this and fan forums. Actually, I've got an idea. I could add up all the certifications it has (respective to regions) and say "The album's certifications amount to at least this many copies sold worldwide." dannymusiceditor ^{what'd I do now?} 20:52, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

That'd work for me. Miyagawa (talk) 11:00, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Actually, I've changed my mind. This can't work. The certifications don't count for the same kind of thing - some are shipments, others are sales. One of them is unknown which it is. I think I should cut this altogether. WW data might be needed for an FA, but I have no plans of taking this article there. dannymusiceditor ^{what'd I do now?} 16:20, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

• You use EW.com but Entertainment Weekly in another, I don't mind which you use, but just use the one.

 Done dannymusiceditor ^{what'd I do now?} 14:52, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

• Cite #78 and #51 and #54 should be filled out in the same manner as #126.

 Done dannymusiceditor ^{what'd I do now?} 15:10, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

• Cite #130 needs to be filled out to the same as the other MTV cites.

This one's an odd one. The page has no date nor author. The publisher is different, however. Do you want me to change it to "MTV News"? dannymusiceditor ^{what'd I do now?} 15:15, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

• Cite #131 now redirects to the main Billboard website - so update the url and change the billboard.biz in the cite to Prometheus Global Media. Also needs to be added to #184 through #187.

 Done dannymusiceditor ^{what'd I do now?} 11:14, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

• Cite #165 through #168 need accessdates. Likewise #170 through #181.

 Done dannymusiceditor ^{what'd I do now?} 14:47, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

• Cite #195 can be swapped out using the Linkin Charts album listing at the Official Charts Company website as it's dead, and the OCC is more reliable anyway.

 Done dannymusiceditor ^{what'd I do now?} 14:52, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

• In summary regarding the citation formatting - each cite needs to be formatted in a similar manner - and so since you've got publisher details on some of them, you'll need to add them wherever possible. Check where you've used multiple cites from the same source that they're formatted the same and include all the same types of information.

@Miyagawa: I'm done. Except for the worldwide sales, which I've consulted you for. dannymusiceditor ^{what'd I do now?} 16:20, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

@DannyMusicEditor: Great, it all looks really good. I'm happy for you to remove the WW sales line since it can't be easily referenced to a reliable source. I agree with your assessment about the need for it in GA vs in an FA. Ping me back when you've done that and I'll take a final look but I think that it should be ready for a pass shortly. Miyagawa (talk) 17:41, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

• Overall the article is a million times better than when it was nominated for GA back in 2012. The Guild of Copy Editors did a darned fine job as it all reads quite well. Although the list above looks long, none of it is dreadfully complicated and once you've had a chance to work through it then you'll have your first GA on your hands. Good job so far! Miyagawa (talk) 23:10, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

@Miyagawa: Done. dannymusiceditor ^{what'd I do now?} 22:04, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Great. Happy to promote! Miyagawa (talk) 22:13, 7 April 2016 (UTC)