Talk:A Town Where You Live

Regarding that image

I note that the zh.wiki (?!) article has the cover of the Japanese volume 1, which can presumably be imported to here. (I find it interesting that there even is a Chinese article, even though it doesn't indicate that the series has been licensed in Chinese.) —Quasirandom (talk) 21:12, 12 November 2008 (UTC) Or you can also snag the Amazon.jp cover. —Quasirandom (talk) 17:51, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Done need the related caption--KrebMarkt 21:08, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Merge proposal

I've removed the PROD and replaced it with a merge proposal. For the moment, I suggested Suzuka (manga) as the merge target, as this is a prequel to that series, but an argument can be made for merging to Kouji Seo instead. So, a discussion of the options. Though if anyone can address that {{notability}} tag, I'd vote to keep the article. —Quasirandom (talk) 15:15, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't think a merge would be good idea, considering I have yet to see any connections to Suzuka. Although I just started it. Another thing to consider is that Suzuka article is a GA article and the merge could mess things up. This doesn't matter since I planing to expand this article to a start or C class article. You should see expansion soon. (Duane543 (talk) 01:51, 4 December 2008 (UTC))

Well, the promotional material claims it's a prequel, so presumably a connection will show up. I confess I only skimmed a couple chapters before deciding it hadn't caught my attention. That Suzuka is GA is irrelevant, though -- if the material belongs there (arguable, as I said) then it belongs there and needs to be brought up to snuff on arrival. But I'll await your additions and see if they address my concerns. —Quasirandom (talk) 02:21, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Are your concerns addressed? (Duane543 (talk) 04:19, 11 December 2008 (UTC))

(Sorry for the delay -- got tied up.) Not really. You've done a decent job getting this up to a Start class article, or nearly so, but you haven't demonstrated the series is notable. To do that, the article needs to show the series passes one of the five criteria of WP:BK or the additional one at WP:MOS-AM#Notability. This is, admittedly, difficult for a series that hasn't been licensed in English, but that's why we have so few of those. —Quasirandom (talk) 16:30, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

It also doesn't help that it is relatively new. I'm not giving up yet, I think with enough looking I can meet one of the criteria for Notability. It will just take some time. (Duane543 (talk) 05:03, 14 December 2008 (UTC))

I'm removing the Notability tag, because I think it has meet WP:BK criteria considering that it has multiple, non-trivial published works whose sources are independent of the manga itself. (Duane543 (talk) 17:21, 19 December 2008 (UTC))

Well, the usual interpretation of "multiple" in AfD discussions is "three or more," but I won't contest it. I will say you've done a good job getting this up to a basic Start class article. —Quasirandom (talk) 17:49, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

A Town Where You Live-Inclusion of Suzuka?

I still don't agree with you insistence to have this "...and also takes place some time after or during Suzuka, one of Kouji Seo's other works." I feel that Suzuka reference should be viewed as nothing more than a TV show that the characters were watching. A TV show the characters were watching has very little bearing on the overall plot of A Town Where You Live. (Duane543 (talk) 18:51, 30 January 2009 (UTC))

Yes, the reference is indeed to the TV show that they were watching that had Honoka in it. However, I think that it is important to note that both mangas are still in the same universe. Although it may have little bearing on the plot for now, as seen in chapter 2, it is supposed to be a prequel to Suzuka; connections between the two mangas and developments may show in future chapters. I don't really see the harm in adding it; if setting counts as plot (as I assume to be so as it is in the plot section), then the reference should be counted as plot as well. For example, the setting of a story (according to Wikipedia), includes the time, location and circumstances in which it takes place. The Suzuka reference (I think) contributes to all 3 of these. The time of A Town Where You Live is probably in the 21st or late 20th century; the Suzuka reference solidifies that fact and shows the time of A Town Where You Live, although somewhat implicitly. The setting is in Japan as well; them watching Honoka on TV who speaks Japanese shows that. Circumstances (forgive me if I'm wrong) are that it takes place some time after or during Suzuka (the part that the Suzuka reference plays here is self-explanatory). I'm not trying to say that one couldn't figure out the time, location and circumstances in which A Town Where You Live takes place without the Suzuka reference, but it just helps to solidify setting. Just trying to be bold here. Expo377 (talk) 00:51, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

You have two contradicting statements. These are that A Town Where You Live takes during or after Suzuka and that it is a prequel to Suzuka. If A Town Where You Live is indeed a prequel (although I have seen nothing to support it so far), by definition A Town Where You Live has to take place before Suzuka. I appreciate your efforts to improve the article, but I just don't see that statement solidify setting. If it was any other tv show was referenced besides Kouji Seo referencing his own work, you would not making such an argument. Unless more of evidence comes up in future chapters, I don't see both A Town Where You Live and Suzuka having much to do with each other besides having similar plot elements. If anything, the reference is more of an Easter egg than anything else. (Duane543 (talk) 04:46, 31 January 2009 (UTC))

It's not that I support the idea that it is a prequel but in chapter 2 it says so; I highly doubt it myself after seeing the chapter with Honoka in it. As you stated before, if it was a prequel it would take place before Suzuka. Also, I don't mean to be mean or anything, but how would you know if any other TV show was referenced besides Kouji Seo referencing his own work, I wouldn't be making an argument for it? Although they don't have much to do with each other character-wise in terms of the characters from Suzuka and A Town Where You Live interacting with each other, I think that knowing that A Town Where You Live takes place around the same time as Suzuka establishes setting; they're not totally different worlds. If it is an easter egg and establishes setting, I don't see harm in putting it in there. Respectfully, Expo377 (talk) 05:13, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Take this for an example, if the characters were watching the Seven Samurai on the TV would that have a bearing on the overall plot of the manga?

It's not like I really meant that I would be making an argument for each and every TV show; I just wanted to (not to be rude) make a point that you don't really know me. Well, for one thing, Seven Samurai is a Japanese film; I think you're talking about the anime. Also, Seo would probably be sued if he put an explicit reference to the Seven Samurai anime; if it was as subtle as the Suzuka reference then it'll probably slide. However, Seven Samurai and A Town Where You Live are totally different things; it's not like the Seven Samurai still exist in the time period (or even universe) that A Town Where You Live takes place in. Watching Seven Samurai on TV really doesn't help to establish setting; for example, if I replaced the Suzuka reference with a Samurai 7 reference, then it would look like this, "...and also takes place during or after Samurai 7, one of Studio Gonzo's works." It's like comparing apples and oranges; somewhat similar, but different things. Expo377 (talk) 18:37, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Would you really put this line: "...and also takes place during or after Samurai 7, one of Studio Gonzo's works." in to the plot section if it was Seven Samurai? The Suzuka show the characters were watching was never stated that it was a anime. It could have been a live action drama. Maybe in their universe it is an old TV show. Really it does not matter that what show is because it does affect the plot. Ask yourself is this information part of the main story or primary sequence of events? If not, the information is not part of the plot. (Duane543 (talk) 19:11, 31 January 2009 (UTC))

Well I see that both Expo377 and IP user 75.22.60.85 were correct that this manga is happening during the same time as Suzuka. (Duane543 (talk) 16:26, 1 February 2009 (UTC))

So is this discussion over with...? Expo377 (talk) 00:25, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Yep. (Duane543 (talk) 04:40, 2 February 2009 (UTC))

Thank goodness; I don't see what was so hard about such a small thing like that. I really didn't understand your arguments but it seems that you're satisfied after reading the latest chapter, so whatever. Expo377 (talk) 06:52, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Archival

I am puzzled by User:Duane543's and User:Dinoguy1000's haste in archiving this talk page. The talk page was barely 10,000 bytes when archived (hardly a huge burden to scroll through) and the archive included everything, including a discusson barely 3 weeks old on a little used talk page. So guys, please take a look at Help:Archiving a talk page and explain why the urge to archive this quickly? Astronaut (talk) 16:57, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

The talk page was initially archived on February 23 by Duane - you'd have to ask him for his reasoning there. User:Expo377 came in almost a month later and reversed the archival for no discernible reason (it is possible that he wanted to continue one of the archived discussions, but it would make more sense to simply start a new discussion, as I pointed out in my last edit summary). Personally, I saw no reason to unarchive the discussions - they were archived rather soon after finishing, true, but I get the impression they were finished anyways. That being said, I really don't want to edit war over something so trivial (and I have no personal interest in this anyways), so I'm not going to revert again. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{(Dinoguy1000)} 18:18, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

There's no need to archive such a short page. Simple as that. Astro was right; there's no need to archive such a short talk page. Expo377 (talk) 23:54, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Like I said above, I really don't care, I have no personal interest in this, so whatever. If Duane or Quasi would like to conmment, that's up to them, but I've got other things to do (and BTW, the IP address who reverted you the second time was me). 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{(Dinoguy1000)} 18:14, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Response To: A Town Where You Live-Inclusion of Suzuka?

Yes, in fact Kimi no Iru Machi and Suzuka do happen at the same time. Proof being that in the chapter where Haruto is using his sister's Tokyo apartment, the two drunks that knock on his door while he's on the phone are none other than Akitsuki's drunk friends in Suzuka. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.123.141.158 (talk) 21:27, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Origin of Character Names

Seo Kouji has stated in print interviews that the inspiration for his character names comes from Imperial Japanese Navy warships, Hiroshima Toyo Carp baseball players, and notable warrior-generals from pre-modern Japan. As a humorous commentary on this, one of the Suzuka special insert booklets actually had a What if Seo Kouji was born in Osaka instead of Hiroshima and changed all the surnames of the characters to names of famous Hanshin Tigers baseball players. This naming convention is also very much the case in his previous series Suzuka and the only noticeable exception to this rule is when he makes certain female character names as a nod for various Japanese voice actresses and idols. Only the obvious associations have been included so far, which brings it to 4 names: Kirishima, Mishima, Yura, Kaga. All single names, nothing as drastic as Akizuki Yamato combining two ship names (the ship Akizuki makes a cameo in Seo's short story collection Love Letter. Jun Kayama 06:57, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Please cite those print interviews in each character subsection when adding the warship relations, especially the ones he lists by name. -AngusWOOF (talk) 18:19, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

2012 Original Animated Video (OAV)

Anime News Network KNOM OAV/OVA At Anime News Network.Ald™ ¬_¬™ 11:03, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:A Town Where You Live/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: ChrisGualtieri (talk · contribs) 05:03, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Taking. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 05:03, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

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Comments: This article is written well, but it has a few issues that really prevent me from passing it at this time. The character section is lengthy, a bit longer than I'd like, because it reiterates what is already given in the very brief plot section. I think the plot should be expanded to several times what it is now as a result. Yuzuki Eba's section misses the details on the breakup as noted in the plot. Some minor prose issues remain, please do a quick copyedit because I didn't want to go through every issue when it doesn't hit the broad or focused aspects, but "It was premiered in Weekly Shōnen Magazine issue 26, 2008." is poor grammar. The real issue is the lack of development details, I saw only one real sentence about the author's development and that was "Seo stated he wanted to create a love story set in his hometown as the inspiration to the series and that some of his characters were inspired by his friends." This is not adequate for a work that spans 25 volumes and is still in publication. The anime section is also lacking in development and production details, instead focusing on the release. The separate article on the list of episodes should be merged into this article and the details on the manga, minus the titles for each chapter in the volume, should also be integrated into this article and the details become part of the new plot description. Placing on hold for fixes or debate. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 16:46, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

• Yeah, I realize the protagonists rehash the plot cause I didn't know what to put for them. I cut down Haruto the minimal. I'll have to think more about Yuzuki.
• It's an episodic series and covers all significant events up to date. I don't feel the need to puff up the plot which is covered in greater detail in the volume list.
• So I have to go import a bunch of materials for production information, which may not be useful or exist in that volume, for GA? I feel that fits more with FA than GA. Similar to the other GA, I will concede to the other ones conclusion.
• As for the episode list, I can straight up merge it right now but they'd be lacking summaries.
• For the chapter list, that's 30kb. I could merge it, but it would look weird since it would take up most of the article. As for removing the titles, that's debatable. I have no strong feelings either way towards the titles. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 08:01, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Then let's keep the articles separate. I haven't gotten a quick check on this article, but I did pass the other - so I will defer to my extra set of eyes as soon as I can get a comment on it. As you are well-aware, I'm picky and a bit precise, but I do mean well and I have really high standards that do cross over the GA line. I've been working on bringing up my own past GA because I find faults with them since I've become a better editor. I'm sure I am doing it to you to. I don't mean to cause any frustration, but I just like consulting someone who is well-versed in these matters. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 17:28, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

No hard feelings. Those were sound subjects which were once brought up before. I was willingly to accept to whatever the SO's consensus was anyways. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 06:06, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Alright, while I am waiting, I found an actual issue you can fix. Take a look at the Japanese Wikipedia's coverage. It contains the break down for the OAV and the Anime - including its staff and DVD release information. And the Universal Music CD releases. Do this and I'll pass it because that way two issues won't be lacking and I couldn't dig up much at http://www.kiminoirumachi.com/news/ though it is helpful for your release sourcing. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 06:19, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

I took the director/writer/composer and introduced them in the lead sentence for both animations. The music releases were the theme songs which I have added on. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 10:41, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

• I'll pass this now. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 20:08, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

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