Talk:Abby Portner

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Abby Portner is a notable creative professional. As an visual artist, most notable is probably the collaboration with the world famous band Animal Collective, her artwork, video art and design she made for them is seen by people all over the world. As a musician, she played at major music festivals like Midi Festival in France in 2006 with her band Rings and is on the roster of the All Tomorrow's Parties 2011. She was part of a selection of notable drummers in the art project "88 Boadrum" and "77 Boadrum" (who both deserve own Wikipedia articles). She opened for world-famous acts like Animal Collective and played shows not only in the US, but also in Europe and Mexico. It is very arguable if musicians who once were in famous bands like Kría Brekkan and Deakin are more notable as solo artists than Drawlings.

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I just added to the article that renowned The Fader Magazine featured her in the magazine and portraited her on their website in 2010. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rigabro (talk • contribs) 21:12, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

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