Talk:Abdication of Wilhelm II

Orphaned references in Kaiserreich abdication of Wilhelm II

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Kaiserreich abdication of Wilhelm II's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "DHM":

• From Prince Maximilian of Baden: "Biografie Prinz Max von Baden (German)". Deutsches Historisches Museum. Retrieved 22 July 2013.
• From Friedrich Ebert: "Biografie Friedrich Ebert (German)". Deutsches Historisches Museum. Retrieved 22 May 2013.
• From William I, German Emperor: "Biografie Wilhelm I (German)". Deutsches Historisches Museum. Retrieved 12 June 2013.
• From Wilhelm Groener: "Biografie Wilhelm Groener (German)". Deutsches Historisches Museum. Retrieved 22 May 2013.
• From Philipp Scheidemann: "Biografie Philipp Scheidemann (German)". Deutsches Historisches Museum. Retrieved 2 August 2013.

Reference named "Bio":

• From Philipp Scheidemann: "Biografie Philipp Scheidemann (German)". Bayerische Staatsbibliothek. Retrieved 2 August 2013.
• From Wilhelm Groener: "Biografie Wilhelm Groener (German)". Bayerische Staatsbibliothek. Retrieved 26 June 2013.
• From Friedrich Ebert: "Biografie Friedrich Ebert (German)". Bayerische Nationalbibliothek. Retrieved 2 August 2013.
• From Prince Maximilian of Baden: "Biografie Prinz Max von Baden (German)". Bayerische Staatsbibliothek. Retrieved 22 July 2013.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 17:32, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Kaiserreich abdication of Wilhelm II

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Kaiserreich abdication of Wilhelm II's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "nyt2":

• From Ernst II, Duke of Saxe-Altenburg: "Prince's Wireless Plant", The New York Times, Berlin, 7 April 1914
• From Prince Alexander Ferdinand of Prussia: "Prince Alexander Weds", The New York Times, Dresden, Germany, 21 December 1938
• From Duchess Sophia Charlotte of Oldenburg: Copyright, CYRIL BROWN. (5 May 1922), "Prince Eitel To Sue In Wife's Defense", The New York Times, Berlin
• From Prince Joachim Albert of Prussia: "Prince to Lead Music Here", The New York Times, Berlin, 27 October 1926
• From Prince Karl Franz of Prussia: "New Grandson For Kaiser", The New York Times, Berlin, 16 December 1916
• From Prince Joachim of Prussia: "Prince Joachim Married", The New York Times, Amsterdam, 12 March 1916
• From Prince Charles of Prussia: "Prince Charles of Prussia", The New York Times, 8 February 1883
• From Prince Alexander of Prussia: "Prince Alexander Very Ill", The New York Times, Berlin, 28 December 1895
• From Princess Marie-Auguste of Anhalt: "Prince Joachim Married", The New York Times, Amsterdam, 12 March 1916
• From Prince Albert of Prussia (1837–1906): "A Royal Marriage", The New York Times, Berlin, 7 May 1873

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 19:38, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Done - fixed "nyt2" today (see edit history). GermanJoe (talk) 02:06, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Title & scope

Both are weird. First, the title is misleading. You would expect "Kaiserreich abdication of Wilhelm II" to be about Wilhelm's abdication as German emperor only, but he abdicated the Prussian throne at the same time. So what is the word "Kaiserreich" doing there? And why are we defining it with a citation from Harper's? Second, more than half the article deals with stuff other than Wilhelm II's abdication, including a large table of NSDAP members. What is this article doing? Srnec (talk) 00:08, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

TITLE. Kaiserreich is the German term for a monarchical empire. Literally a Kaiser's Reich, an emperor's domain or realm, referring to the German Empire 1871–1918, when the majority of historically independent German states were unified under a single Kaiser. Wilhelm's abdication was his act of formally relinquishing this monarchical authority. "Harpers" is a standard reference to Kaiserreich v. German Empire. The scope of this article exceeds the German Empire 1871-1918. Covering: 1919 - 1928 - 1942 - 1945. If anyone can think of a better, or more appropriate title, change it by all means.

SCOPE. The Wilhelm abdication began a series of events, in which over 300 German noble families, consisting of thousands of princes, lost all their hereditary rights, and titles. From 1928-42, the Nazi Party re-conferred these abolished hereditary titles and states. Wilhelm's family, like other princes, sought to re-establish this Kaiserreich monarchy. This article begins with Wilhelm's and his family's claims, then concludes with (a mere sample of hundreds of similar claims), by the other aforementioned Kaiserreich princes. Stephen. Stephen2nd (talk) 18:31, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

He relinquished the kingship of Prussia as well, and that was not a Kaiserreich. "Abdication of Wilhelm II" would work better.

If the article is about a series of events, then it should be titled that way. If it is about the first event in the series, it should be pared down to cover just that. Right now it is not clear what it is supposed to be.

The Nazis certainly did not "re-confer" any princely states. Srnec (talk) 19:44, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Prussia, Bavaria, Saxony and Württemberg were 4 kingdoms of the 22 federal states of the Kaiserreich. Prussia was in the German Empire/Kaiserreich, not separate from it. All princes from the 22 princedoms within the Kaiserreich, had their titles as princes, and titled domains, prohibited by the Weimar Constitution on 11/9/1919. In 1928, the National Socialist Party, breached the German constitution by registering a Mr. Ernst - from North Rhine-Westphalia, as a Hereditary Prince - Ernst - of Lippe. When the Nazi Party registered these (ex)-princes as members, as with Prince Ernst, 90+ were re-conferred with the pre-Weimar "Lippe, &/c" rather than the Weimar named - "North Rhine-Westphalia, &/c". Ernst and others were not nobility from 1919 to 1928, they were equal to all Germans.

You are correct, I think it should be split up into separate articles. I could quite easily split these up into 22 cross-referenced articles, by house &/or individual. However, I am currently listing 268 princes, most of whom will be new articles. When I cross-ref all this, I will conclude my research. (NB: Subject to my health) Stephen. Stephen2nd (talk) 23:00, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

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Missing references

There are many sources mentioned in the footnotes (Manvell, Kershaw, Evans, etc.) that do not have a full citation. What are these? 104.254.11.181 (talk) 16:05, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

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