Talk:Abdullah Mohammad Khan

disputed picture

Replaced transcluded image with inline image - {{npov}} tag as per dispute on Template talk:Combatant Status Review Tribunal trailer image and caption. Geo Swan 07:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

"Correcting" every instance of Farsi to Persian?

I am sure that those who go looking for every instance of "Farsi language", and change them to "Persian language" are sincere. But I think making this change -- everywhere -- and without any discussion -- is a mistake.

I think it was a mistake here. And I am changing it back. If Persian is really the same as Farsi then having Farsi redirect to Persian is a perfectly acceptable way to address this. The fact remains that the source documents for this article use "Farsi". Geo Swan (talk) 01:38, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I changed it, and User:Tahmasp changed it back.

I am going to assume that this was an honest mistake. That they are a new user, who doesn't know about article's talk pages. I am going to leave them a note on their person talk page. Geo Swan (talk) 04:31, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I undid it for now. User:Tahmasp 6:19 AM Wednesday 12 December 2007 (GMT)

Actually User:Tahmasp did not undo their edit. Instead they continued making similar unexplained edits. I reported this on WP:AN/I. Geo Swan (talk) 09:41, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I think default sort is a mistake for Arabic names

I think default sort is a mistake for individuals with Arabic names.

People with Arabic names don't inherit a surname, like people with an European do. Traditionally the closest thing they have to a "last name" is their father's first name.

And it is absolutely clear to me that it is a mistake to use default sort for the Guantanamo captives -- because the US Department of Defense can't consistently figure out what their names are.

Therefore I just reverted an edit where a well-meaning contributor imposed default sort on this individual.

Please don't impose default sort on these guys without discussing it first.

Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 05:56, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

restore

I recently reverted two big excisions, that I thought were poorly advised, and which did not comply with the guidelines on headings. I am going to make some changes to the article, so I thought it made sense to make the reversion now. Geo Swan (talk) 00:38, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

A unilateral initiative...

Another wikipedia contributor recently started an unilateral initiative to remove referenced material from the captions of images of the trailer where CSR Tribunals were held, that the captives were shackled, hand and foot, to a bolt in the floor. This other contributor replaced the caption with another caption that asserts that the Tribunals were merely usually held in a small trailer. This contributor failed to provide a single reference to back up their assertion that some captives attended Tribunals that were not held in a trailer like the one pictured.

My response -- User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/shackles.

In my opinion the edits in this unilateral initiative is problematic because they remove referenced material and replaced it with the unreferenced assertion, that contradicts all WP:RS.

Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 08:48, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Firstly let me assure you that there is and has never been "an unilateral initiative". Please be careful with such inflammatory language. IMO to falsely describe my edit in this way could be seen as an initiative itself and that would be a kind of initiative that has never been received well by the Wikipedia community.

Coming to the content issue that i guess you may want to discuss: I have read the page that you have created in your user space including the given references. I knew these information and references and some of it could be used to further improve Combatant Status Review Tribunal.

Regarding my edit to this article here. The biography of Abdullah Mohammad Khan i have to say the old version and the page you have created does not verify that Abdullah Mohammad Khan's CSRT took place in the trailer that is shown in the picture and it does not verify that Abdullah Mohammad Khan's hands were shackled to a bolt in the floor during his CSRT. In fact the page you have created strenghten the arguments for my version with the wording usually.

You have frequently pointed out that reliable sources are important to write WP articles and i fully agree with that and i have always done so.

As far as i see we do not have reliable sources that verify that Abdullah Mohammad Khan's tribunal was held in the trailer shown in the image and we do not have reliable sources that verify that Abdullah Mohammad Khan's hands were shackled in the way as it was described in the image description during his CSRT.

There are also many more requirements and rules that can not be ignored or broken when writing an encyclopedic article.

I think here you are ignoring the basic rules of logic.

To provide reliable sources that some detainees's CSRT were held in the trailer shown in the picture does not follow that Abdullah Mohammad Khan's CSRT was held in this trailer. As well reliable sources that some detainees were shackled during CSRT does not follow that Abdullah Mohammad Khan were.

This is an ongoing event and as soon we find reliable source that verify this information for Abdullah Mohammad Khan the subject of this biography without violating the rules of logic or other rules, than and only than should we add it to his biography. IQinn (talk) 05:03, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Iqinn pasted a response identical to this one in multiple articles. I responded here. Geo Swan (talk) 13:56, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

remarkable

This book overview of a book on Abdullah Mohammad Khan is a word for word copy of the beginning of this wikipedia article. I wonder why? Geo Swan (talk) 04:46, 11 May 2010 (UTC)