Talk:Abdullahi Qarshe

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I've made several corrections to Somali and Arabic spellings. --Daljir (talk) 08:40, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Balwo genre

Abdullahi Qarshe himself confirms that Balwo was started by Abdi Sinimo.

Mohamed Rashid Sheikh Hassan (Interviewer): "So what followed?"

Abdullahi Qarshe: "I arrived in Hargeisa and stayed with a family friend called Mahmud Abdi Arale. Abdi Sinimo’s belwo was already making an impact on the urban population. However, there were only a few musicians and they were either Arabs or Indians inspired by the new Somali genre of the belwo. There were two main characters: Ina Beenaale, an Indian, and Abdo Yusuf, a Yemeni. They played basic instruments, the most important being the violin. They invited me to join them, so I did, but I was not yet really proficient in playing. We tried to create softer lyrics than classical Somali poetry and accompany it with music. In the beginning, it was not easy, and our band consisted of a mixture of clapping, the tambourine, and drumming."

In the same interview Abdullahi Qarshe confirms that he considered Abdi Sinimo to be the "Father of Somali Music:

Mohamed Rashid Sheikh Hassan (Interviewer): "The Somali people and others regard you as the “Father of Somali Music.” Is this how you see yourself?"

Abdullahi Qarshe: "No. There was always music: for weddings, lullabies, watering animals, working, dancing (shurbo), night dancing (sacab habeenkii la tumo), exorcism (saar). All these existed, so one can only say that there were no musical instruments to accompany them. One cannot say, therefore, that I am the “Father of Somali Music.” Even modern music was in the air at the time of Abdi Sinimo, who is widely regarded as the genius who formulated and organized it into the belwo and thus took well deserved credit and honor for it. Perhaps, I am the first Somali to set Somali songs to the music of the lute (kaman)."

Source: [1]

It would be important to make note of the fact that the Balwo genre was, in fact, in existence before Qarshe and was founded by Abdi Sinimo. A fact that cannot be dismissed. MustafaO (talk) 05:59, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

What are you trying to prove? No one is stating Qarshe "founded" the genre, but academic, published sources state that he was one of its pioneers. That should be included as any artist who made significant contributions should be included provided reliable sources are given. --Kzl55 (talk) 12:39, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

I added a sourced reference on this page where Qarshe was interviewd about a music genre. It perfectly applies to this page and the content was referenced clearly. Please stop the removal of sourced content as that would amount to vandalism. MustafaO (talk) 13:21, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

You can not be selective about when you use the source. The same source you are citing clearly states that the Somali people, as well as others, regard Qarshe as father of Somali music: "The Somali people and others regard you as the “Father of Somali Music.” And yet you keep edit warring about it. Please cease the disruptive behaviour. --Kzl55 (talk) 13:34, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

You can not be selective when you have only ONE source that claims Qarshe was a pioneer of Balwo and want to add that onto the page, despite the vast majority of published sources (over 10) claims otherwise and that it was Abdi Sinimo. These sources are as follows:

[2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10] and [11].

But then you want to remove the title 'Father of Somali Music' regarding Abdi Sinimo, because its one source. Please desist from further edit warring. MustafaO (talk) 23:47, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

You are trying to obfuscate the discussion. This discussion is not about who founded Balwo, its about whether artists who made significant contributions to the genre should be included provided there are reliable sources supporting inclusion. So far you've not presented why a well sourced statement from a published reputable source regarding Qarshe's contribution should be removed. This is an article about an entire genre, not a shrine dedicated to a single artist, the header clearly states he founded it. --Kzl55 (talk) 10:06, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

The interpolation that you made was that Qarshe was a pioneer of the genre, not that he contributed to the genre. Contributing to an already established genre is very different to pioneering the genre. The wording you chose reflected something completely different than 'artists who made significant contributions to the genre' This is why I posted 10 different academic sources showing that it was erroneous to suggest that being the case at all. ALmost all reputable sources claim that Qarshe in actual fact, had nothing to do with these genres except by adding it to flute. MustafaO (talk) 12:25, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

I did not choose the wording, it was the wording presented in the Encyclopaedia source verbatim, the heading of the article explicitly states Sinimo founded it, there is no confusion about this, as such there is no need for removal of Qarshe's contributions, given that it comes from a reputable source. --Kzl55 (talk) 12:35, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

The source is an anomaly in making such a case. The wording mentioned in the Encyclopedia cannot be found in any other published and accredited work and in actual fact contradicts an almost unanimous agreement of scholars on this issue that the genre was pioneered by only one person. I've already added 10 sources that document the history of these genres and make no mention whatsoever of Qarshe. This point is the crux. MustafaO (talk) 12:53, 7 September 2019 (UTC)