Talk:Aberdare

Conversions

I've just added a couple of conversions. I thought it would be fair to assume that the tons were long tons. Jɪmp 16:38, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

On the 'to do' List - Churches and Chapels

In Cynon Valley, around 160 Nonconformist Chapels were built according to Alan Vernon Jones in his book Chapels of the Cynon Valley. Many of these Chapels remain in Aberdare. Perhaps we could add a section on the local Chapel history including notes on the development of other Churches in the area.

--Darren Wyn Rees (talk) 20:41, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Non notable==heya

Removed the following.

• Richard Jones - Disability Rights Campaigner Accessible Wales Owner, Founder of Accessible News. 78.150.37.157 (talk) 09:27, 13 September 2006(UTC)

"as the name implies"?

"Aberdare (Welsh: Aberdâr) is an industrial town in Rhondda Cynon Taf, Wales, situated (as the name implies) at the confluence of the River Dar and Cynon."

This seems a somewhat odd assertion to make on the English language Wikipedia. Is it seriously suggesting that an English-speaker would see the name Aberdare and think...yep, that definitely implies to me a place at the confluence of the River Dar and the River Cynon? I know no Welsh, but I'd hazard a guess that even a native Welsh-speaker would struggle to find any suggestion of the River Cynon from the word Aberdare. This statement needs explaining and clarifying. Draggleduck (talk) 00:24, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Position of pronunciation ref

I agree that the reference superscript looks better after the respelling than after the IPA. However, I didn't do that because the IPA is from the cited source, while the respelling is mine. I'm not planning to change it, but I thought I'd mention that point. —JerryFriedman (Talk) 04:06, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Idwal Rees

The link to Idwal Rees is to a person of the same name, but not the person who was the first headteacher of the Welsh primary school.87.112.129.203 (talk) 09:44, 12 April 2014 (UTC)Colin Rees

• Thanks for pointing that out. You are of course correct, Idwal Rees the rugby player was headmaster of Cowbridge Grammar. I have update both articles. Cheers, FruitMonkey (talk) 10:15, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Twin Towns

The See also section contains a link to the List of twin towns and sister cities in the United Kingdom, which asserts that Aberdare has 3 twin towns/cities. If accurate, this ought to be stated in the 'Culture' section of the article. Alfrew (talk) 00:43, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

John Griffith and 1847

I am not convinced by the statement that John Griffith was made vicar of Merthyr to escape local anger at Aberdare over the 1847 reports. Firstly, over ten years passed before he moved to Merthyr and, secondly, Merthyr was a much larger parish than Aberdare. A more reliable source is required here?Macs15 (talk) 13:22, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi Macs, I added that sentence as it is stated on the St Elvan's website (follow citation). I certainly get your point regarding the long timescale, but the Blue Books debates raged on for many years. Wikipedia's own article (poor as it is) even mentions the debate affecting the 1868 General Election.

Given the vast majority of sources I have used all explicitly state local anger as a factor in his move, and we have no counter evidence, I would suggest this requires no changes.

Cymrogogoch (talk) 01:39, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Road races

Under 'Sport' motorcycle road racing is not mentioned, this has been a major thing for many decades. Alanthehat (talk) 14:13, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

"Soccer"

While raised at my talk, this really should be here. I don't see why "Soccer" is used here. "Football", just as in Football in Wales, commonly refers to "Association Football". If clarity is needed then "Association football" and "Rugby football" can be used, not "Soccer", which isn't commonly used in Welsh English and British English.

The term was introduced in this edit by @Cymrogogoch, replacing "Association football" or earlier just "Football" as the sub-heading.

Not seen "Soccer" as a common term in Wales-related articles, so looked off. Does Aberdare warrant a exception? DankJae 22:22, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for moving this, I will restate my answers to the points you raised on your talk page below:

"I don't see a reason why Aberdare is special from the rest of Wales?"

The nomenclature is unique to the town, as shown in the continued use of Aberdare RUFC (instead of Aberdare RFC) more than a century after Aberdare RLFC folded (I believe this is unique for a Welsh rugby). All three football codes discuss in the sports section have been prevalent at one time or another in the town, and having top-flight professional Rugby League and Association Football clubs (as well as being the first home ground to Wales Rugby League) compounded the terminology issues in the formative years of both sports.

"Yes "Soccer" is from Britain, but not commonly used in Britain."

I think we've now moved from an argument for British English to common usage. Obviously, UK sporting discourse is dominated by Association Football, and there is real linguistic currency in simply calling the favoured code "football" but I think using a word which also refers to two other prominent codes when we have a perfectly good unique term is just silly. People seem to get upset about this, think it's an Americanism or some form of slight when it's really just about clarity of text.

I would argue your point that "Most people from Aberdare won't say "soccer", I think areas which are not wholly dominated by one code do tend to use "soccer" more than the UK as a whole. I am from Aberdare and must admit that I tend to switch between "soccer" and "football" interchangeably. That said, I do not think colloquial speech is relevant to an argument for "common British-English usage".

I'd be happy with Association Football or Soccer, just needs something to distinguish it as a singular code of football.

Cymrogogoch (talk) 20:38, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Prefer "Association Football", as "soccer" is rare among local and national sources. DankJae 21:16, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

OK, I'm happy to go with that. I do appreciate your point that it's out of step with the majority of Wikipedia articles. Cymrogogoch (talk) 10:44, 22 April 2024 (UTC)