Talk:Abortion in Afghanistan

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Legislature Section

I couldn't find many sources on Afghanistan legislature. If anyone can add more information from scholarly unbiased articles to this section it would be very helpful. Maddythursby4 (talk) 17:50, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Creating the page

I am interested in adding to this page! I would like to add information about the current laws, Islam's views, and access to abortions in Afghanistan. Maddythursby4 (talk) 16:57, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

I have added my new research on Abortion in Afghanistan to this page. Please edit information and add more if you find any. The sentences that are already written from the stub have been reworded and incorporated into my new introduction and then sections have been created based on their themes with more information. Maddythursby4 (talk) 23:56, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

That Islamic law allows abortion is controversial and not the dominant opinion

Currently, this page claims that abortion is allowed until the 12th or 17th week in Islamic Law, but the source they cite for this fact also says that most Muslims would condemn abortion and state that Islam forbids it. Furthermore, the law in Afghanistan does not follow this interpretation at all. I propose to keep some reference to this 120-day limit, but make it clear that this is only one interpretation and not the majority view or the Taliban's view. Gneisss (talk) 01:24, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

I think the source you're referring to has been removed from the article. Nonetheless, I think the problem stems from an inability within the article to distinguish between 1. Abortion as understood in Islamic Jurisprudence, and 2. Abortion as understood in practice in Afghanistan. The latter of which is the only relevant matter here.

The fact remains the majority of scholars do allow for abortion in particular circumstances, irrelevant of whether "most Muslims" would condemn it. That said, that particular fact isn't necessary in this article. Yr Enw (talk) 06:36, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Further to this, I think the "Religious Limitations" section as a whole doesn't really add much to the article. Like you say, the jurisprudential opinions could be mentioned in passing, but as a whole it doesn't add much to the discussion of Abortion in Afghanistan Yr Enw (talk) 06:42, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Heavily outdated.

"and by the extremely high birthrates. Afghanistan has one of the highest fertility rates, but its levels are decreasing since the fall of the TalibanItalic text" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1C0:5880:6D0:B997:8CD:6F0B:9D4F (talk) 19:14, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Page defaced?

There have been a few suspicious edits all around the time of the US Supreme Court decision on abortion ca. 25-28 Jun 2022. There's one from an anonymous IP and two from a user with a suspicious-looking history. Someone with more authority than I do needs to look into it, and someone who knows the topic needs to fact check the article. I referred to this article in a tweet around the time of the anonymous edit, so it seems likely my tweet motivated someone with an agenda to change the page to something in their favour. NadiaYvette (talk) 02:46, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Source missing/dead

Source [4] goes to a 404 page. Turtelious (talk) 19:54, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Lead sentence

I was going to change this, but I cannot think what to change it to, so am posting on the Talk page to request some consultation and discussion.

I have a real problem with the lead sentence: 'Abortion in Afghanistan is affected by the religious constraints from the national religion'. The word "constraints" implies non-Islamic or non-religious societies don't have any - but there's no lead sentence like this on the Abortion in the US article. Discussion of the Islamic jurisprudential aspects belong in the relevant subsection of the article.

IMO, it would be better to specify what "constraints" we are talking about. The passivity of the sentence is also a problem because it detaches from how people understand it and sort of reifies a singular "Islam", rather than how it is understood or interpreted in practice. Yr Enw (talk) 06:34, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Resolved this myself Yr Enw (talk) 11:48, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of section: Religious limitations

The "Religious limitations" section doesn't add anything to the topic of Abortion in Afghanistan. Further, the information within it is far from robust, with limited citations and narrow sources where citations are used.

It would, to me, better better suited to be summarised in a sentence directing readers to the existent wiki article on Islam and abortion. That article has a much more sophisticated explanation on the Islamic positions. Yr Enw (talk) 12:36, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Agree. If it's not specific to Afghanistan, it shouldn't really be on this page. Iskandar323 (talk) 13:05, 17 August 2023 (UTC)