Talk:Absecon, New Jersey

Is Chris Ford an Absecon notable?

An editor has attempted to add Chris Ford as a notable, adding a source that shows that he attended Holy Spirit High School (New Jersey). While he attended school in the city, he lived elsewhere and never had a close association with Absecon. Consensus across Wikipedia is that college and high school students whould *NOT* be treated as notable people from the city where the school is located. Without any policy justification to support listing Ford as a notable here, he has been removed, and should not be reinserted until consensus is established to support reinsertion. Alansohn (talk) 01:53, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Fortunately, this is quite clear in New Jersey articles. Unlike most articles about places, the New Jersey articles all have a heading, "People who were born in, residents of, or otherwise closely associated' with Absecon include:" How can attending a school and thereby being widely reported in reliable sources as being "from" Absecon be considered other than a "close association?" If that's not enough, according to this source [1] Ford "grew up" in Absecon. There are many, many sources with similar statements. Ford is closely associated with Absecon. Jacona (talk) 10:35, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

In addition, Ford's association with Holy Spirit (and thence Absecon) has not been a fleeting one; it has lasted for five decades. [2].Jacona (talk) 11:24, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

I like the idea of adhering to WP:USCITIES as you suggest, by the way. While not a policy, it is an excellent guideline, much like the school article guidelines! We should definitely put some effort into complying with this sort of consensus with the rest of Wikipedia! Thanks again! Jacona (talk) 16:00, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Ford's connections to Holy Spirit are listed in the school's article and continue to belong there, not in the article for Absecon itself. USCITIES is of rather limited use, given its lack of status as policy in providing advice about style, but it does provide some examples of situations like this one, where editors try to make a point by adding blatantly inappropriate notable entries in articles. Complying with actual policies requiring sources in consistent format would be even more effective, here and all across Wikipedia. Alansohn (talk) 16:26, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Your recent edits reinderted Chris Ford as a notable, with edit summaries arguing "rv:USCITIES does not mention high school. See talk page for more commentary." and "rv:Please discuss on the talk page AS YOU REQUESTED, edit captions are insufficient.". To be honest, it's very hard to tell whether any of this is serious, or just a disruptive effort to make an idiotic point.

First off, I had responded here and addressed your non-argument before your blind revert. Putting words in caps doesn't make the argument any more valid.

Your argument that WP:USCITIES excludes college residents but allows high school students is entirely specious; if college attendance is excluded, surely high school attendance is irrelevant, a fortiori. There was a recent discussion at Talk:Trenton, New Jersey regarding a similarly disruptive effort at that article to add the governor as a notable resident; Broad consensus was that the governor doesn't meet the standard. High school attendance is an even more tenuous connection.

Ford is listed at the Holy Spirit article and any of his continuing involvement should be listed there. Without some rational argument supported by consensus that Ford should be included here, he will be removed again. I'll give you an opportunity to respond with something meaningful. Alansohn (talk) 23:19, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

First, an apology, I missed your edit on the talk page. Sorry!

Second, you quite rightly mentioned USCITIES in an edit caption, but you misrepresented it, specifically claiming it mentioned high school when it does not. As far as whether attending high school in a town is a "close association" or not is not necessarily clear-cut. In Ford's case, according to this source, [3], he grew up in Absecon. Do you think growing up in a town is a "close association"? I do. Jacona (talk) 00:36, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Finally, as to disruption, your edit captions frequently seem to put words in the mouth of other editors that the editors did not themselves enunciate. They also frequently appear designed to belittle other editors and their contributions. Doesn't that create a lot of unnecessary conflict?Jacona (talk) 00:36, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

This always seems to be a point of contention for people attending private school and of course, colleges. We also had the same controversy over where people work, someone can spend 50 years working in the same company town. Generally the outcome has been to not include them since they appear as notable-alumni or notable-employees in the list for the school or the company. The article for the school is already in the category for that town. The category for alumni does the same thing. You might want to consider adding a see also-link to the category: Category:Holy Spirit High School alumni as a compromise. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 00:56, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

That is a very good suggestion. Thanks! Jacona (talk) 01:02, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

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Pronunciation of "Absecon"

In videos I've watched online, locals pronounce it [ab-SEE-kin] and not [--kon]. A video titled "Absecon schools happily go to the dogs" on the NJEA website is one such example. 67.83.99.134 (talk) 16:26, 9 June 2020 (UTC)corpho