Talk:Adam Kadmon/Archive 1

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actually, adam kadmon is in hebrew. Adam, the name used in most languages, has no meaning except for in hebrew. Adam means Man, which comes from the word Adama(soil,land)-the material he has made from. Kadmon means ancestor.

i've heard that "kadmon" means "primordial", thus adam kadmon means "primordial man" or translated directly "man primordial". from what i understand, in some languages the noun comes first, then the adjective. Gringo300 03:33, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

wait. the article actually says that. oops. Gringo300 03:34, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

kdm means 'before'. kdmh means 'antiquity' or 'former estate' or 'original'. kdmwn means 'east' which also has the metaphoric meaning of 'ancient' or 'in eternity' (likely based in the meaning of kdmh). The Midrash arrives at the conclusion that Adam Kadmon was a divine being comes from

"Ge 2:8 ¶ And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

The garden was in eternity... outside of time. Philo had access to both the scriptures and the Midrash so he may have gotten the idea from either or both. But since Genesis is the source, one may derive it without the Midrash. 50.8.77.133 (talk) 14:39, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

outside of jewish kabbalah

i'm under the impression that the concept of adam kadmon is also used outside of jewish kabbalah, but i'm not an expert on any of this. Gringo300 03:36, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Clarity

This article is not of the clearest variety. Could someone explain how Adam Kadmon relates to Adam in the Garden of Eden and ourselves?

Done - in the the view of Jewish Kabbalah: added full introductory explanation to section Adam Kadmon#In Kabbalah (Adam Kadmon vs Adam HaRishon (Biblical Adam), Adam Kadmon as the first of the comprehensive spiritual Five Worlds, the nature of the realm of Adam Kadmon, Adam Kadmon alluded to by the thorn on the first letter of the Tetragrammaton - hence Template:Four Worlds -Adam Kadmon is sometimes listed as the first of the Five Worlds, brief explanation of Medieval Kabbalah vs Lurianic Kabbalah, Adam Kadmon as an anthropomorphism in Kabbalah, connection between Adam Kadmon and Man Below, Adam HaRishon Below as the origin of all human souls). Is that now all understood??? April8 (talk) 21:33, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Since there is no container larger than God, when he created, he opened a void within himself to make room for his creation. Adam Kadmon is the Light of God which flooded into the void when he said "Let there be light". Christians express this idea of Christ as the Light, the unbegotten Son. Holiness is expressed as separation. So there was no separation in God prior to the creation. As soon as there was creation, his Holiness was expressed through the unbegotten son.

Adam Kadmon has a paradoxical nature. Adam expresses his huuman nature, and Kadmon expresses his divine nature. Christians would say that he is the God-man.

Adam Kadmon's purpose is as an "intermediate" which reveals primordial Infinity to finite created reality. Christians would say that Christ came to show us the Father. And that there is no way to the Father except through him.

I am not sure if that explanation belongs in the article, but it may give enough info for someone to craft a paragraph. Here's a reference to the Jewish understanding http://www.inner.org/worlds/adam.htm 50.8.77.133 (talk) 14:48, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Marvel Comics "Eternity"

In Marvel Comics, there exists an entity called "Eternity (Marvel Comics)", who appears as giant silhouetted figure, whose body appears that of a human with all of the stars and galaxies within. Back in Doctor Strange #13, he calls himself "Adam Qadam: The Archetypal Man".68.79.171.54 (talk) 05:39, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Mormonism Content Removed

I have removed the specific Mormonism "Adam-God" content for the following reasons:

1. No reference exists for "it was first taught orally by Joseph Smith" .

2. It has nothing to do with this specific article (Primal Man).

3. The LDS Church does not accept this as doctrine or part of their faith.

4. This doctrine suffers from a heavy POV anti-mainstream LDS bias.

5. Adam-God theory has its very own article.

6. If we're going to attribute this to Fundamentalists then don't throw it in "Mormonism" - try "Community of Christ" or other faiths that believe it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Suplemental (talk • contribs) 22:16, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Light from his eyes?

Are we expected to believe that someone believes the Cosmic Man to shoot frickin' laser beams out of his eyes? This needs a citation, and also an explanation of who believes, or used to believe, that. If a citation is not found, I will remove that part as complete bollocks. Devil Master (talk) 16:56, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

At least in Jewish Kabbalah this anthropomorphism in Kabbalah is used, strictly figuratively (the danger of false corporeality being why Kabbalists restricted their tradition to select disciples): Five "lights from the eyes, ears, nose, mouth and forehead" of Adam Kadmon. See Seder Hishtalshelut. April8 (talk) 21:39, 22 November 2012 (UTC)