Talk:Addison Russell

Requested move 5 May 2015

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The result of the move request was: moved. The baseball player has had consistently higher page views than the other Addison Russell ever since the article was written in November 2012. So, the argument that he is the primary topic is supported by evidence and the argument that his fame is recent is weakened by consistently higher page views over more than two years. DrKiernan (talk) 15:51, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

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Addison Russell (baseball) → Addison Russell – primary topic Relisted. Joeykai (talk) 21:36, 11 June 2015 (UTC)Relisted. Joeykai (talk) 12:36, 23 May 2015 (UTC)--Relisted. George Ho (talk) 00:16, 12 May 2015 (UTC) Joeykai (talk) 05:20, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose clearly not the primary topic. This guy's played almost no major league games. His first career home run is from May 2015! -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 14:16, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Looking at the page views shows he clearly is the primary topic. 16229 vs 489Joeykai (talk) 14:37, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

WP:RECENTISM he just got called up to the Majors, so there will definitely be a spike in accesses. This guy fails in long-term significance, as there isn't any, since he hasn't done anything yet. -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 20:52, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

• Support agree with this Russell is the primary topic.--Yankees10 16:07, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
• Support. Russell is the primary topic. In addition to the fact that what is pointed to -- when you read it -- has little relevance here, it is just an essay. Nothing more. I could write an essay, intended to supplement a guideline, called "when recent significance is more important than long-term insignificance." So what. An essay is just one view. Epeefleche (talk) 06:58, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose Addison Peale Russell is far more notable than this non-encyclopedic sports stub. At the very most the baseline should be a dab page. WP:RECENTISM embodied In ictu oculi (talk) 08:20, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
  • "non-encyclopedic" What?--Yankees10 17:41, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

In that a normal encyclopedia wouldn't have bios on someone so highly recent, and see "Addison Russell" in print sources pre this May. In ictu oculi (talk) 22:12, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

In ictu -- are you serious??? "Encyclopedic" doesn't -- in 2015 -- meant "has to be in print sources" at any point in time. Nor do our rules suggest as much -- in fact, they suggest that non-print sources are fine; just as good as print sources. So, do you think that on 9 12, we shouldn't have had an article on 9 11, because there were no books out yet? We have here someone who is overwhelmingly TODAY the person that people look for when searching for that name. The same will be true tomorrow. And next week, next month, and next year. The entire exercise here is to help readers. To help them find the person they are looking for. Today. And the future. Not the person they may have been looking for at some date in the past. Why in the world would you want to muck up their ability to find that person, as quickly and with as few clicks as possible. Because only! 97 per cent are looking for the baseball player? Seriously???? Epeefleche (talk) 06:18, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

• Support Agree with prior reasoning that the baseball player Addison Russell is the primary topic and should be indicated as such Cubbie15fan (talk) 18:00, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose for now due to WP:RECENTISM. We don't know how significant this player will be in the long term. He was called up less than a month ago and just hit his first MLB career home run. I hope that will be just the first of many, but let's not try to predict that future. Addison Peale Russell was an Ohio Secretary of State, which is not insignificant. —BarrelProof (talk) 19:05, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

• Nobody much cares about the fellow born in 1826. And he's not about to do anything in the future, so interest won't increase. On a good day, his page gets 10 hits. The baseball player, in contrast, was the primary topic well before he even made the majors, getting easily 5x as many people looking for him on his worst days. The fellow born nearly two centuries ago simply isn't the person people are searching for when they type in the name Addison Russell. And he's not going to increase peoples' interest in him from today's levels. And, of course, a half a dozen of the people who were Ohio Secretary of State are so non-notable that nobody has even sought to write a wp article about them, at all. Epeefleche (talk) 05:30, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

• Weak Support The Ohio Russell is already disambiguated by his middle name, and certainly, per WP:COMMONNAME, we wouldn't have the baseball player at Addison Warren Russell. Epeefleche makes a good point about page views, though. The Ohio Russell died over 100 years ago, and there's not going to be much going on with his article in the future, and WP:RECENTISM be damned, I was one of those people who expected Addison Russell to link to the baseball player. Canuck^{89 (converse with me)} 06:49, May 13, 2015 (UTC)
• Strong support the baseball Russell is clearly the primary topic, the Ohio Russell is already disambiguated by his middle name and the oppose reasons are primarily WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Mellowed Fillmore (talk) 13:39, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
• There is also Charles Addison Russell, a congressman from Connecticut, so perhaps a dab page would be the best choice. Spanneraol (talk) 15:42, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

• @Span -- we only direct "Addison Russell" to a dab page if we don't have a primary topic. Not if we have one clear primary topic, as here, and two people nobody has an interest in looking up. In that case, we direct Addison Russell to the primary topic. This third fellow is even less-searched-for than the other fellow who is also from the 1800s. See here. Page views for the last 90 days? 16,686 vs 507 vs (for the new guy) 481. The living Russell has 16-17x as many views as the other two combined. Epeefleche (talk) 23:06, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

• Support. Clear primary topic. Hat notes exist for a reason. Calidum T|C 00:19, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose - perhaps if the baseball player becomes a superstar there will be a case for him being the primary topic. But right now we are talking about a rookie baseball player versus the Secretary of State of Ohio during the Civil War, and despite the obvious recent interest in the baseball player, I don't think that at this point he can be considered the primary topic other than through WP:RECENTISM. Rlendog (talk) 12:33, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
• I'm okay with converting Addison Russell to a disambiguation page rather than redirecting to the Secretary of State, but not convinced of fully moving. You can't go just by page views for primary topic. Wizardman 16:09, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

• Our goal is to help readers arrive at the page they are seeking. With the fewest clicks. Why would you force 95 per cent and more of the readers to click an extra page? A full 36x as many of our readers were seeking his page, in the last 90 days, and there is no reason to expect anything different in the coming few years. Epeefleche (talk) 05:30, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

To show this is not recentism, here are the page views from January 2014, 18 months ago, during baseball's offseason, well before he debuted in MLB and before he became one of the top prospects in baseball. 794 vs 80. He wasn't very significant back then and still got 10x as many page views as the politician. Now he is very significant and is getting 36x as many page views as the politician.Joeykai (talk) 21:45, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

• Support. Pageviews are not everything, but when the disparity is this large, there needs to be a very strong case for long-term significance to match the usage. That is not the case here. This move would greatly assist our readers and editors. Dohn joe (talk) 01:13, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

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