Talk:Administrative divisions of Crimea

Orphaned references in Administrative divisions of Crimea

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Administrative divisions of Crimea's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "ReferenceA":

• From Kiev: http://www.kyivpost.com/content/kyiv/volodymyr-bondarenko-of-batkivschyna-faction-heads-kyiv-administration-338763.html
• From 2014 Crimean crisis: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-feffer/who-are-these-people-anyw_b_4964526.html Who Are These 'People,' Anyway?
• From Donetsk Oblast: State Statistics Committee of Ukraine, Kiev.
• From Khazars: Golden 2007b, p. 127:'In much of the literature on conversions of Inner Asian peoples, attempts are made, "to minimize the impact" . . This has certainly been true of some of the scholarship regarding the Khazars.'
• From Crimean Khanate: The Russian Annexation of the Crimea 1772-1783, page 26
• From Dnipropetrovsk: S. S. Montefiore: Prince of Princes – The Life of Potemkin

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 15:23, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

X Municipality

Are there any articles about entities called "X Municipality" outside the Crimean Peninsula and inside Russia? Can the official RF designation for these entities be added, e.g. here or to articles about one such entity e.g. Feodosiya municipality Derianus (talk) 00:52, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Articles about Russian municipal formations are normally upmerged into the articles about the corresponding administrative divisions, although a few separate articles for entities without a 1:1 match do exist. The articles that do exist are not titled using the "X Municipality" scheme, because with five types of municipal formations in existence, using such a scheme would result in overly ambiguous titles. And Crimea, of course, is different in that it is a de jure Ukrainian territory under Russian control, which means that in practice Russian administrative and municipal details tend to be upmerged into the articles about Ukrainian divisions (with which they share identical boundaries, at least so far). So, to answer your question, the official Russian designation can and should be added to articles such as Feodosiya municipality, and that article is where Feodosiya Urban Okrug should redirect to. Mentioning those designations in this article is, of course, also something that eventually needs to be done. I have this task on my to-do list, in fact, though it's not a high priority for me.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 27, 2014; 11:57 (UTC)

If you do not mind, I will create redirect from X Municipality and X Urban Okrug to X (only for Crimea and Sevastopol), to avoid unnecessary confusion.--Ymblanter (talk) 12:05, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

I'd be grateful for help with this (just note that Sevastopol has no urban okrugs :)). Feel free to also create urban settlement redirects if you have time. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 27, 2014; 15:59 (UTC)

@User:Ezhiki - what is the official RF-designation, could you add it to Feodosiya municipality, your proposed target? Derianus (talk) 05:13, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Unless Yaroslav beats me to it, I'll add the designations when I get to the Crimea portion of my to-do list. Feodosiya is incorporated as an urban okrug.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 29, 2014; 11:53 (UTC)

The urban okrugs redirects are ready; I can also add the dssignations if you could add more details on where you actually expect them to be. For the urban-type settlements we discussed above, I guess the easiest is if I just create the articles.--Ymblanter (talk) 12:55, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

I haven't thought much about the exact setup yet, but it seems it would make sense to have, in each locality article, one subsection for details on Ukrainian divisions/status and another one dealing with the Russian aspect. The municipality articles can probably simply mention that within the Russian legal framework the same territory is incorporated as such and such urban okrug/urban settlement/etc. And since Crimea is going to be a special case, it probably doesn't matter much if the formatting/layout/structure are going to differ from similar sections in articles about the Russian entities.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 29, 2014; 13:27 (UTC)

Good, thanks, I will try one later today.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:30, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

This is my attempt. When you have time, could you pls have a look.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:24, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

I think this will work as the first draft. By the way, do you have a copy of this and this law, to use as references? If so, would it be too much trouble to cite them when you are adding Russia-specific content? (I'll be happy to email you my copies if you want, but I'm sure they are easy to find online).—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 29, 2014; 20:34 (UTC)

Thanks for the hint, found the laws and added the refs.--Ymblanter (talk) 12:03, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Completed adding refs, added them to every (to my knowledge, we still have very poor navigation) Crimean article. Apparently, we already had an article about the census, Crimean Federal District census (2014); I created a redirect and will leave it to you whether it should be renamed. Thanks again.--Ymblanter (talk) 15:55, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! I've changed the capitalization of "census" (to match other census articles); no opinion on whether it should be at "Crimean Federal District Census (2014)" or "Crimean Census (2014)", though. The latter sounds more neutral, but come to think of it, the former makes more sense, since the Census was conducted by the Russian authorities within the Russian framework.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 11, 2016; 16:08 (UTC)

I would say since this was the census of Crimean Federal District, not just of the Republic of Crimea, the word "Federal" is possibly appropriate. But I do not have a strong opinion either way.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:11, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Good point. I'm for leaving it where it is; we can always move it later if a need arises.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 11, 2016; 16:21 (UTC)

User removed hatnote

User removed hatnote [1] Derianus (talk) 20:12, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

This was not even a hatnote, but a clarification added at the top of the article. Since the article already explains the difference between the Ukrainian and Russian aspects, another clarification is quite redundant. Note also that the purpose of a hatnote is to help readers locate a different article they might be seeking. Your addition was made for wholly different reasons and was thus rightfully removed. Please do not restore it again.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 31, 2014; 20:23 (UTC)

User:Ezhiki can you point to the policy where it says that hatnotes do only exist for locating another article? Derianus (talk) 20:44, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Hatnote?--Ymblanter (talk) 20:48, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

<*ec*> WP:HAT (to which I already linked in my first response) is indeed the applicable guideline here. Your usage seems to fall under WP:LEGITHAT, which is an example of improper hat usage.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 31, 2014; 20:52 (UTC)

@User:Ezhiki and User:Ymblanter - thank you. I might have been using it against the rules. I still think the article title is against the rules. So my application was somehow countering the (perceived) rule violation. But I will not stick to that. If hatnotes are not there for that purpose, I am fine with the revert. Derianus (talk) 21:04, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

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