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Can anyone clarify the pronunciation of Monk? --89.245.234.252 (talk) 11:11, 5 April 2010 (UTC)Reply

Have you never watched it? His name gets mentioned in every episode! ;o) 2.98.248.172 (talk) 19:17, 24 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Monk is not a nice man

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There should be mention of Monk's lack of empathy and self-centredness which on several occasions distresses his assistants. In one episoide Natalie is injured in a car crash and he doesn't notice her obvious pain.

Despite his intelligence, he very much lacks insight into how his almost unfailing concern for his own needs impinges on others. He appears very selfish at times.

He lacks patience and doesn't appreciate social interactions so he will readily interrupt people in conversation, including his assistants. He thought nothing of barging into Sharona's dates and becoming a gooseberry. On one occasion Natalie's daughter was in the toilet and he demanded that she hurry up because he'd just made a connection in the case. He couldn't bring himself to wait just a couple more minutes for the child. Most likely it didn't even occur to him that it was appropriate.

He is extremely stingy, for instance attempting to bribe doorman with $2, which he reluctantly doubled to $4. When Sharona paid the doorman $40 for the information, he asked for his $4 back. He made a big deal with Natalie, his new assistant, about how he didn't pay Sharona for expenses, and didn't want to reimburse her either. He expected her to pay for transporting him around, his wipes, his water, etc, at considerable expense. Even though a salary wasn't mentioned, Sharona was often portrayed as struggling financially yet Monk could be seen making extravagent purchases at times. Natalie objected to his no-expenses policy but he doggedly refused until urged to relent by Trudy, in a near death fantasy.

Although OCD plays a large part in his personality, Monk appears to suffer many traits of autism as well, in particular his glaring lack of understanding of emotion, social rules, etc.

92.24.194.30 (talk) 10:32, 31 May 2013 (UTC)Reply


Your comments are purely a matter of opinion, but regardless of how others view him, that does not really justify having an entire section that just negatively points fingers at Adrian Monk. I probably understand how Monk thinks and feels better than most. Monk's desire to constantly right wrongs, put things in order, expose criminals, all put together, is a naked human yearning that makes him much like a modern-day 'Everyman', because it hurts him deeply to be bombarded by so much pain, loss, and devestation in the world, and it shocks and offends him that there are not many people around him who really, truly care. They just accept disorder because they don't have the mind to want to do anything to make it better. The series makes it clear that Monk absolutely despises seeing other people used or manipulated by a crook. Just watch how Adrian is seeing crying in "Mr. Monk and the Magician" after the shock of finding Kevin Dorfman murdered. Monk realizes that underneath his annoyance at Kevin's talkativeness, he appreciated his company and his friendly personality, as seen in "Mr. Monk and Mrs. Monk".

The reason Monk never compromises his fear of germs for another person is because he simply cannot afford the possibility of having to pay for a complete stranger's carelessness. The less peripheral things Monk has to deal with, the more he can zero in on the heart of the matter at hand: Solving the murder case. Adrian is NOT autistic, he is simply a man who lost his wife. (I, myself, have been called autistic about 11-13 times in my life, and I know that I am not.) Barging in on dates? Monk's life does not revolve around dates. Plus, about half of the people Sharona, Stottlemeyer, or Monk himself, dated were shifty, untrustworthy people who turned out to be criminals! Just look at Linda Fusco from "Mr. Monk and the Bad Girlfriend"! Monk's comrades may love being sociable, but that doesn't always mean they make the right choices.

As for Monk's stinginess with money, that's because he refuses to allow money to restrain his thinking, and Adrian is a very deep, emotional thinker. It's also possible that having to pay his assistants reminds him that their jobs of taking care of him is not solid, which would cause him even further anxiety and would distract him from his current case. So, to make everything fair, Monk only thinks of money when he absolutely has to.

Furthermore, Adrian Monk is an idealist (in fact, I am too), and Captain Stottlemeyer, Sharona, and sometimes Natalie, are realists. Idealists hold to the belief that it is their responsibility to right the wrongs and imperfections around them, however big or small they may be, so the world will become a better place for everyone, not just themselves. Realists only study the world in its present state, regardless of how morally wrong or unfair the world may have become, and they constantly measure the odds against the idealist succeeding. Sadly, this makes people like Captain Stottlemeyer and Sharona unable to observe the things that Monk always sees, because they do not observe things as deeply and thoroughly as Monk does.

Ultimately, in "Mr. Monk and the End - Part 1", Stottlemeyer acknowledges that Monk was simply 'seeing more than anybody' and 'feeling more than anybody'. Stottlemeyer concludes by saying Monk was 'too human'.

This is a new person writing a comment starting right now as follows: May 20,2020 I find it inappropriate to have this discussion on the talk page and it should be deleted. Rather then feed the Troll by attempting to reason with him/her/their I think this whole conversation needs to be removed from the talk page. At the time in which the above post was written in 2013, I recall having contact with a very vocal woman who believed the entire show Monk exists to insult people with obsessive compulsive disorder. She said she had OCD and that the show was personally insulting her. All attempts to reason with her only made her more admandant. People would tell her that this is a fictional character and she was wrong to consider the show to be an attack on any group of people, but that did not convince her. I am saying this could be the same person or related in some way to this "anti Monk" movement which she was trying to start to have the show cancelled as an offensive show. Ty78ejui (talk) 14:51, 20 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

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OCPD?

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I have just blanket-changed all occurrences of "OCPD" to "OCD" because the sources I checked concur it is obsessive-compulsive disorder and not personality disorder. Do any sources assert OCPD? I do not understand why this article asserted it, except that Mr. Monk himself seems to exhibit more of the OCPD symptoms as opposed to OCD, but that is WP:OR from yours truly. Elizium23 (talk) 06:19, 25 January 2020 (UTC)Reply

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