Talk:Aeryn Sun

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Removed this bit:

At the end of the third season, Crichton learned that Aeryn is pregnant. However, Peacekeeper women can keep a viable embryo in stasis for up to seven years, meaning that the father is currently unknown.

Och, wait till the end of fourth season... --Brion 21:16 May 1, 2003 (UTC)

I added the pronounciation of her name, is that okay with everyone? Noneofyourbusiness 22:28, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

"soon" isn't IPA, unless you really mean two of the vowel o. Do you mean "sun"? -T. Gnaevus Faber

Picture

Can someone please change that picture, there's hundreds of far better ones!!!

I'll change it as soon as I get home this evening, this is exactly why I visited the talk page, the picture is hideous, and to show it as a representation of Aeryn Sun is plain sickening! kandrey89 16:35, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciation

An anon. user changed the pronunciation. Unfortunately, the edit was ambiguous: they could have meant either /suːn/ (homonymous with soon) or /sʊn/. Are you still there? Anyone else know? kwami (talk) 18:17, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

I have just watched an episode of the series and the pronunciation of her last name is definitely [sun]. The [u] is shorter then /uː/. I do know how IPA works and I also had a look both at your IPA help page and looked through the history before correcting the pronunciation.

Her last name is *not* pronounced "sung" as your change suggests, it is pronounced "soon", with the "oo" short, but not as low as [ʊ] or as long as [uː]. A couple of anons had incorrectly tried to fix the pronunciation here with IPA, and here because this one had — I assume — thought [sun] was being pronounced like "sun".

Your changes to the pronunciation were incorrect, with the stresses wrong and some symbols not quite right either. Please don't assume I'm doing the wrong thing, when I've not only watched the show and listened for the pronunciation, but also gone through the history and looked at your IPA help page too. And yes, her name when both first and last are pronounced together does sound like "Erinsoon". I thought my edit summary was clear enough, but obviously it was not.

Just out of curiosity, how did you pick up on my changes so quickly? 203.220.171.82 (talk) 03:15, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I kept this page on my watch list because I thought there might be something wrong with the pronunciation. I'm glad to hear you got the IPA right (a lot of people don't), but if it's not an English pronunciation (what you're transcribing is not English), we need to indicate which language it is. Or, if it is English, your version makes it look as if there's no stress on her last name; that is, "AIR-inn-soon" pronounced as one word, in which case we should remove the second stress mark and still need the length mark on the /uː/. kwami (talk) 07:58, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it is an English pronunciation. How is, what I'm transcribing, not English, explain please? It's pronounced "AIR-in soon" as two words like someone's name (eg, John Smith). Is the reason you want to put the length mark on the /uː/ because in phonemic transcription [u] and [uː] are allophones of /uː/? 203.220.170.109 (talk) 08:39, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I can't say whether [u] is an allophone of /uː/ or /ʊ/ without knowing the dialect of the speaker. The problem with writing "/u/" as a phoneme is that in some traditions it means the food vowel, and in others it means the foot vowel: That is, some books write the two as /u/ and /ʊ/, others as /uː/ and /u/, and yet others as /uː/ and /ʊ/. We chose the latter to prevent any ambiguity. (Similarly, some people write "/a/" for the vowel of "cat", and some for "cot"; you'll notice that on the IPA key, none of the simple vowels "a, e, i, o, u" are defined. If we don't use them, they won't get misinterpreted.) So, if you write /sun/, people won't know which vowel you mean. (I'm going through lots of articles and replacing "/a, e, i, o, u/" with something less ambiguous.)

As for the stress, a transcription of /ˈbaɪˌbaɪ/ is really the same as /ˈbaɪbaɪ/. Again, it's a difference of tradition: Random House tends to use the former, while the OED tends to use the latter. (See secondary stress for a discussion.) So, /ˈɛərɪn ˌsun/ would, I assume, be the same thing as /ˈɛərɪnsuːn/. Normally, with people's names, you'd expect /ˌɛərɪn ˈsuːn/ — or even /ˈɛərɪn ˈsuːn/ (there is no phonemic difference). kwami (talk) 09:10, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

It's supposed to be for all English dialects, not just one specific dialect. I think the best transcription would be /ˈɛərɪn ˈsʊn/, just to indicate that the "oo" is *not* long or in my Australian dialect forward. It can clearly be heard in the series as being well back and shorter than the vowel (especially in my dialect) in the word "soon". The primary stress is definitely on the first name though. The name when pronounced almost sounds as if it's one word, but in fact are two. 203.220.170.109 (talk) 10:10, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

You're right, it should be dialect neutral. The question is whether it is or is not the vowel of soon for the speaker you're listening too. If we start comparing across dialects, we'll get really confused. kwami (talk) 10:20, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Well to my ears, it's *not* the vowel in "soon". And the speakers in the series are all (except one) Australian with Australian accents. But they all pronounce the vowel the same. 203.220.170.109 (talk) 10:55, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh, well that makes it easier. (I don't know anything about the show.) I take it it's the vowel of Australian good then, which would be /ʊ/. It doesn't matter if that's not the exact phonetic value, as GA and RP don't fit all the vowel symbols exactly either. (Or were you saying it's not either vowel, but something else, which would mean it's not a normal English pronunciation?) kwami (talk) 11:15, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, phonemically it is the vowel of "good". So I'll alter the pronunciation to /ˈɛərɪn ˈsʊn/. 203.220.170.109 (talk) 11:54, 25 November 2007 (UTC)