Talk:Afşin-Elbistan C power station/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: No Great Shaker (talk · contribs) 05:55, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Starting review. Hope to have some feedback soon. No Great Shaker (talk) 05:55, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

1. GACR#1a. Well written: the prose is clear, concise and understandable.
2. GACR#1a. Well written: the spelling and grammar are correct.
3. GACR#1b. Complies with the MOS guidelines for lead sections.
4. GACR#1b. Complies with the MOS guidelines for article structure and layout.
5. GACR#1b. Complies with the MOS guidelines for words to watch.
6. GACR#1b. Complies with the MOS guidelines for writing about fiction – not applicable.
7. GACR#1b. Complies with the MOS guidelines for list incorporation – not applicable.
8. GACR#2a. Contains a list of all references in accordance with the layout style guideline.
9. GACR#2b. All statements are verifiable with inline citations provided.
10. GACR#2b. All inline citations are from reliable sources, etc.
11. GACR#2b. All quotations are cited and their usage complies with MOS guidelines.
12. GACR#2c. No original research.
13. GACR#2d. No copyright violations or plagiarism.
14. GACR#3. Broad in its coverage but within scope and in summary style.
15. GACR#4. Neutral (NPOV).
16. GACR#5. Stable.
17. GACR#6a. Images are at least fair use and do not breach copyright – not applicable.
18. GACR#6b. Images are relevant to the topic with appropriate captions – not applicable.

I'll be using the checklist above to register progress. No Great Shaker (talk) 06:08, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

@No Great Shaker: I hope you are well - if so please could you write as much detail as possible so that I can improve the article. Chidgk1 (talk) 07:42, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Chidgk1. Don't worry, it hasn't failed. I haven't begun this one yet. The symbols above mean "neutral" and indicate no decision reached so far. This is one of several articles I will review this month while the current GAN backlog drive is ongoing. I'm hoping to start it very soon and give you some feedback. I'm fine, thank you, and hope you are too. Keep safe. No Great Shaker (talk) 08:38, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Review

After a first pass, I have made the following notes which will need attention. No Great Shaker (talk) 15:12, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Lead

• One big problem is that most of the content of the lead is not discussed in the narrative per MOS:LEAD. The main purpose of the lead is to summarise the narrative so anything in the lead should be expanded upon, or at least repeated, in the narrative.

Amended - if not enough let me know

Looks fine now so meets MOS:LEAD. No Great Shaker (talk) 12:50, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Are there any projected dates for completing the construction and starting to operate?

Added to infobox

• The link to "the state-owned generating company (EÜAŞ)" should display the title. Better to say "the state-owned Electricity Generation Company (EÜAŞ)".

Done

Narrative

• First mention of EÜAŞ in the narrative (i.e., History) section should be to Electricity Generation Company (EÜAŞ).

Done

• Can you provide anything about the extent to which the Hurman Creek would be diverted?

The water for the plant will come 21 km from the creek but I guess probably only some of the creek's water will be used. But if I understand right the creek itself is being diverted to expose more land for opencast mining. I don't like to write too much about this when I don't understand it clearly myself otherwise I will confuse the readers.

That's fair comment. No problem. No Great Shaker (talk) 12:54, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Is Altinelma in the History section the same place as Altunelma in the Location section?

Well spotted - spelling corrected

• Single-sentence paragraphs are deprecated so the content of the Location and Employment sections should be merged into other sections.

Done

• The four sections – History, Location, Mine and Employment – should be combined under a different title because they are really too short to have as full sections. The title could be something like "Planned development".

Done

• Space needed in "Turkey Wealth Fund(TWF)". According to the Turkey Wealth Fund article, the acronym for this organisation is TVF, not TWF.

Corrected the other article - https://www.tvf.com.tr/en/home uses TWF on the English page.

These reviews often lead to issues being found in other articles. Well done. No Great Shaker (talk) 12:54, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Not sure about this, but there is a redirect called calorific value. Should "average calorific value" link to that?

You are right - but now I found a more specific article and linked to it

• Link first instance of lignite in narrative (as well as in lead).

Done

• I don't see anything in the CarbonTracker report which "concludes that constructing the plant is a waste of money", although the forecasts given are confirmed there.

Removed

• The station is planned to run 6948 hours a year to generate 11380 GWh. Quantities in thousands need commas – 6,948 and 11,380. This applies throughout.

Done. (note that Turkish uses "." as a thousand separator and "," for decimals - thus Turkish quotes)

Ah, thanks, I didn't know that. No Great Shaker (talk) 12:54, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Is the proposed Karakuz Dam to be near Karakuz, Kastamonu? A bit more information about the dam would be useful.

That is a different Karakuz. Added a bit more info.

• Same for the proposed Afşin ring road.

I did not find anything else on this.

That's okay. No Great Shaker (talk) 12:54, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• A phrase like "serious employment" needs some explanation with projected numbers of jobs and employees.

Yes it does but that is all the TWF general manager is reported as saying (I just directly translated "ciddi" as "serious").

Citations

Quite a lot of problems with these which need attention:

• Need the name of the publisher (with their location, if possible) in all citations. Publisher is not the same as website.

Done (where known)

• As this is the English WP, need English translation versions of all websites where possible. For example, there is an English version of Elbistanin Sesi.

All foreign titles translated

• All citations referencing online sources need the accessdate parameter filled.

Done (for cite web)

• Citation #10 has no details at all except a name.

Fixed

• Citation #11 is a bare url.

Fixed

• Citation #14 is missing a space and should in any case be an sfn like the Atilgan, Çinar and TurkStat report citations.

Sorry I can't spot the missing space - perhaps you could just add it? Not sure it needs to be an sfn as it is only used once.

• Can't see a citation to the TurkStat CRF entry in the bibliography. If not cited, move this into a further reading section.

Removed as not needed

• Citation #15 to a PDF doesn't give the page numbers, the relevant ones being pp. 9–10. All citations must give page numbers if they can be identified (applies to books, journals, newspapers, PDF, etc.).

Done

• Citation #18 is dated 22 April 2020 and citation #34 is dated 6 March 2020 but it looks like all other full dates are in yyyy-mm-dd format (e.g., 2020-10-05).

Standardized date format

• It would aid maintenance in the edit page if the citations were unpacked a bit by the inclusion of a space before each | symbol. This improves word wrapping and renders the citations more readable, making things easier for future editors.

The cites are mostly generated by the "automatic" function on Visual Editor

On hold

The referencing does need considerable improvement and some restructuring is necessary too. The lead summary issue is important. There is a lot to be done, but I don't think it would be fair to resort to WP:GAFAIL and so I'm putting the review on hold for seven days. If you can let me know when you have finished, I will be happy to review again. Good luck. No Great Shaker (talk) 15:12, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

@No Great Shaker: As you can see I have amended it for the new owner. So if you could take a look again and see whether anything needs improving that would be great. Chidgk1 (talk) 19:18, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello again, Chidgk1. I'm rather tied up today but hope to look at the article very soon. I'll give it priority when I'm available. All the best and keep safe. No Great Shaker (talk) 11:20, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Passed

Hello, Chidgk1. I managed to sort things out sooner than I expected so I've been looking at this and I'm well satisfied. You've put a lot of effort in and I think the article is good to go now, so I'm promoting to GA. Hope the environmental concerns can achieve priority because there are plenty of alternatives to burning heaps of lignite. Anyway, well done. All the best and keep safe. No Great Shaker (talk) 13:01, 21 October 2020 (UTC)