Talk:Afro-Russians

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Terminology

The term "Afro-Russians" is never used in Russia, in Russia black people are usually called just negroes(негры). So i think this article should be renamed to "Black people in Russia"("Africans in Russia") or something like this, because current name referrs to unexistent term.--

The term is used - I am afro Russian myself by the way - as referenced in the notes sectionAla.foum (talk) 07:40, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Afro-Russian is the official term. It stays.

-G — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.24.151.183 (talk) 23:33, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

• There's no "official" terms. And in Soviet Union, when ethnic descent was indicated in passport, "негр" ("black") was used.Garret Beaumain (talk) 14:27, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

It's 2013 and it's the former Soviet Union. Afro Russian is a term-I'm also Afro Russian and do use the term. There are Russian Jews. There are African Americans not blacks in America or Chinese in America...pretty sure they were non existent terms when there was segregation and racism.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nadezhda078 (talk • contribs) 08:50, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

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WP:BLP policy and "notable" members

It is against policy to include individuals in a list that is not supported by a citation that they belong in the list (it's true not just for still living ones--verifiability applies to all), but it's especially true for those). And only (as the list says) "notable" ones merit being listed, which generally means WP:BIO. I therefore (again) removed the ones that had neither a bluelink (internal link to WP article) nor a cited statement meeting the notability standard. A bluelink means there is an article, and an article would only be viable if the individual met the notability standard. "WP:WTAF" and "WP:NLIST" are the general ideas. DMacks (talk) 16:18, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

1. All the names you removed are in the Russian Wiki for the same page [Afro-Russians] which certainly discredits your assertion that the individuals are not notable.

2. All the individuals listed had a citation to reliable sources, mostly Russian media sources. The individuals may be unknown in the West but are very well known and succesful in Russia. Your edit should be reversed.DanJazzy (talk) 22:54, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, Wikipedia is explicitly excluded by reliable-source guidelines for use to support or verify anything about anything, and different wikipedia sites have different requirements for notability. They need actual WP:RS cites to prove they meet en.wp standards if we are talking about mentioning them on en.wp. DMacks (talk) 05:19, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

I see. We have now moved from WP:BLP to WP:RS. All those entries were supported by a link. I don't see how you can argue that publications like the Moscow Times, Radio Free Liberty Europe or VKontanke are unreliable.

Do you really think justice has been done to an article on Afro-Russians that does not include people considered huge stars in Russia like Pier Narciss (one of the biggest pop stars), Viktoria Marie-Pierre (Russian certified queen of Blues), Karolina Kabakuala (the only succesful Black fashion model in Russia), Dane Lukombo (award winning child actor), Viktoria Keyru and Josseline Maiga (who play in the Russian national basketball team) etc etc? Makes no sense to me DanJazzy (talk) 12:02, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

I stated (multiple times) both BLP/V and notability. RS underlies both of those (especially notability). Most of the ones I removed did not have *any* cite or were cited to individuals' own websites or to vk.com. These latter appears to be a blog or social-media/user-contributed or IMDb-like site...most of those fail RS completely for anything, and all do for notability. Again, "notability" explicitly requires reliable sources to support the notability itself (not just verify that the person exists with the stated profession). Wikipedia is not about justice, and there's WP:NORUSH to getting content added right away. Instead, N/RS/etc policies and guidelines take priority. I did not look into individual cases beyond seeing the majority of them as redlinks/non-links/uncited-at-all. Feel free to re-add those that have a WP:RS cite to support WP:BIO notability, and then we can go from there. DMacks (talk) 05:15, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

I see your general point. However, we have to keep in mind that you'll hardly see articles about these guys in the Western media. They're really popular only in Russia and ex-CIS states. What do you think of Pierre Narcisse and Victoria Pierre Marie?. ThanksDanJazzy (talk) 00:14, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Vandalism

The entire section of "Post-Soviet period" needs to be removed or rewritten. For now it is removed. 75.82.59.19 (talk) 14:55, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Heading organization

I don't understand why § "During the Russian Empire" is a level 2 heading which supersedes §s "Early Soviet period" and "Post War, The Festival Children." Is there a relationship deserving of a heading-subheading structure that I'm missing? 74.70.110.148 (talk) 23:22, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

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