Talk:Afsharid navy

History of Iranian navy

Moved from https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Pahlevun&oldid=971316183#History_of_Iranian_navy

 – Benyamin (talk) 10:47, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello Pahlevun. Afsharid navy is very good. Thank you. Are you planned for Imperial Iranian Navy? Did exist Qajari navy? Benyamin (talk) 21:04, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Benyamin, thank you for your complement, I think that article is worth more expansion in #History. Shah's navy would be a good choice to work on, I am going to make List of Imperial Iranian Navy vessels in 1979 better for the time being (and after that, maybe I will create List of Imperial Iranian Navy vessels active in 1941 that the World War II aggressor British navy almost destroyed completely). During Qajar era, three notable warships existed in the south: Mozaffari, Susa and the flagship Persepolis. However, as far as I know, there was no niruye daryayi with a robust command hierarchy (maybe the ships acted coordinately, for their mainly anti-smuggling missions). Meanwhile in the north, there was no fleet and Russians dominated the Caspian. Plus, the British had forcibly taken every vessel Iran had during the so-called Persian Campaign of World War I, leaving Iran with no effective vessels. Reza Shah is usually credited with creating the modern navy (and reviving the northern fleet) by historians. Pahlevun (talk) 21:35, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Great Ideas. I hope they done as soon as possible.

I think that article maybe need a rename to "Iranian navy (17th18th century)" (as Floor 1987 and Axworthy 2000), because it established in 1734, which is the Safavid age and Nader was regent. In addition, Samuel Gottlieb Gmelin wrote about the Gilan fleet in 1773, which Iran was under Zand rule at that time. Hence this rename is not necessary now, but we can think for it. Benyamin (talk) 17:29, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@Benyamin: The period between 1701 and 1800 would be the 18th century and what we know today as Iran, during that century was ruled by the Safavids, the Hotaks, the Afsharids, the Durranis, the Zandis and the Qajars (some ruled parts of the country at the same time). Each of them had their own military and some did not posses navies. I suggest you to bring the matter to the talkpage until others can comment on it. Regards. Pahlevun (talk) 17:33, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

I moved it. Benyamin (talk) 10:45, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Uhh… "17" was a typo :))

Two sources of the article use "Iranian navy", therefore this title isn't a OR. On the other hand, the navy established before Afsharids. Benyamin (talk) 11:05, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

By the way, Gmelin's book is a primary source. Have you seen any other source about the northern fleet? Pahlevun (talk) 17:35, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@Pahlevun: Yes, it's a primary one. I'm looking for secondary sources. Benyamin (talk) 11:05, 5 August 2020 (UTC)