Talk:Agar.io/Archive 1

Archive 1

Video

Video game play footage should be added.--96.37.13.43 (talk) 17:06, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Options

Do you think we should have an options section for the in game options? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.10.148.42 (talk) 14:44, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Probably, but maybe a different title.--96.37.13.43 (talk) 18:21, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

True, but what would we name it?(Don't know how to sign work — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.10.148.42 (talk) 02:37, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

I was thinking naming the section "Modes". Anyway I think it was already renamed, but you can check. In the coding while you are editing use as many colons as you want indentation. Use --~~~~ at the end of your post for signage.--75.139.97.141 (talk) 01:19, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Highest scorer.

Dont think we should add who the highest scorer is because we don't really know who it is. Many people could have scored higher than ECU and I can even name a few.73.10.148.42 (talk) 14:04, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

I agree, not to mention that it just isn't relevant. Wikipedia is not a leaderboard. ~ Rob^Talk 16:58, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

It is relevant. It may not be a leader board but the article is not going any more in depth than should be in a basic article on the topic. To be completely honest with ourselves, it should cover it more thoroughly.--75.139.97.141 (talk) 01:16, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Also, we should add images for the night-time modes.--75.139.97.141 (talk) 01:41, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Then just say one of the highest scorers. It is better to have an image there than not and with that better to have one with the highest score we have access to. Remember the image has to be in the public domain.

I agree that ECU with 12,000 cannot be the top score. I have only been playing a few weeks and have seen higher. So the picture should be removed as it is misleading. Also any player can take a screen shot of the game and that will be public domain, no? SmokeyTheCat 17:21, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

I've changed the caption, as this is an unsourced point of contention. The unsourced caption does not necessitate the image's removal, only the removal of the caption. You may be interested in the Gallery discussion below, however, which does relate to whether some images should be removed. ~ Rob^Talk 17:54, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

There are a number of help pages for agar.io. However, many of them are neither created nor maintained by agar.io. So, it is difficult to know which are reliable sources. One of them states the maximum cell size is 22,500, and the maximum number a cell can be split into is 16. That places a limit of 360,000 for the top score. To get that score, a player would have to prevent his split cell from fusing, and get each of 16 units to the maximum size. Also, the limits of 22,500 and 16 can be easily changed. SlowJog (talk) 11:55, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Needs Revision

I believe more detail needs to be added to this page on game modes and the use of 'hacks'. Can someone follow on this? Qwerfjkl talk 18:40, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

History section

I've removed the history section that has alternated between claiming the game was invented on 9gag or on 4chan. No editors have provided any sources for this information, and so as an item of contention, I've removed it entirely until a source is provided. Please note that the burden of verifiability is on the person who adds information. ~ Rob^Talk 01:48, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Details regarding play

I recently added some info about previous experimental cells. I do not think that it is what you guys call ‘fancruft’, as I tried to be concise and scholarly. — JamesEG (talk) 12:56, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Viruses

I thing that the viruses should have their own section, but I'm not sure where to put it and what to do with the other virus section because viruses are a big part of gameplay. Is it possible to have 2 virus sections? (A small summary under gameplay and the extended info in its own section.) If so, what would we name those sections? 71.251.220.106 (talk) 17:33, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Attrition

There should be a mention of the loss of size over time and the act of splitting of sharing yourself is a loss as well through attrition. Leitmotiv (talk) 18:14, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Gallery?

The Game I very stupid. I believe that the amount of images that are in the gallery do not add encyclopedic value. They all show similar things. Please see WP:IMAGE RELEVANCE. Additionally, the captions are not concise. I'll edit the captions now, but is there any objections to removing the majority of these images? Placing maybe one of them in the article near gameplay would be sufficient. One of the FFA images should be deleted as well because they serve the same purpose. ~ Rob^Talk 17:04, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

There should be 6 images in the game play section. 3 modes times 2 ways of entertainment equals 6 combinations of those. One may actually play or spectate. To be reasonably clear enough there should be an image with each. Considering million play this game there should be many more images in the article than there is now.--75.139.97.141 (talk) 01:12, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

There are already 8 images in the article, and we definitely do not need an image for each game mode, especially considering you're counting three spectating modes of the same game type amongst those. For a good example of image use in an article about a hit video game, see StarCraft. That is a featured article, so is top quality. It has five images total, which were box art, a single gameplay image, an image of campaign scenes, an early build, and a different release of the game. Note that each of these images serves a different purpose, and no two images are particularly similar. There's also a maximum of one image per section to avoid the page being overcrowded with pictures. This is in line with [{WP:MoS]] and specifically WP:IMAGE RELEVANCE. Keep in mind that wikipedia is not a video game guide (see also WP:VGSCOPE). ~ Rob^Talk 01:44, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

No-one has advanced any policy-based argument for keeping the gallery, and the images contained in the gallery did not accomplish anything that other images in the articles didn't already do. As there was no encyclopedic value to the gallery, I've removed it. Please discuss the re-addition of a gallery here before adding it, and supply some policy-based rationale for it. You're not required to, of course, but doing so will help us reach a consensus before items of contention are added. ~ Rob^Talk 15:19, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Verifiability

Most of this article isn't verifiable by reliable sources. A good portion of the article may face removal of citations are not added. I've been unable to locate them for the majority of the gameplay section. Any help would be appreciated. ~ Rob^Talk 15:52, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

You might want to see WP:BLUE. Some stuff doesn't need to be cited since it is either obvious or its just a fact. --TL22 (talk) 15:33, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Very true, but there are many facts that are non-obvious in the gameplay section. The size of the grid, for instance (which is now removed, but was present when I first made my comment) is very non-obvious, as is the mass gained from ingesting viruses, etc. ~ Rob^Talk 19:00, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Inclusion of link to private servers

There has recently been some warring over linking to a clone of agar.io with private servers. Not only has this been covered in no reliable sources (and is therefore WP:OR), but this website is clearly violating the copyright on agar.io. It admits as much by saying it's a direct clone of agar.io. We do not need to promote websites that are violating copyright when they are not notable in any way. Please provide thoughts on this and a rationale for why this information should be included in the article before adding it again, to gain consensus. ~ Rob^Talk 02:57, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 July 2015

Please add the following information into the "Gameplay" part. Agar.io players don't know skin restrictions and how to change them.

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Changing Cell Skin

Players who want to change their cell skin has to enter the exact skin name into the “Nick” field before starting the game. It’s not possible to choose a skin and unique nickname at the same time (nickname will be the same as the skin name). It’s also not possible to use any skin in the team mode. Cells in the team mode will have randomly assigned one of three colors: green, blue, or red.

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Smartbooks (talk) 09:24, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

 Not done This is not a "How to" guide, but an encyclopedia article - as noted above, if anything, there is already too much detail. - Arjayay (talk) 13:57, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 28 July 2015

86.1.103.156 (talk) 12:48, 28 July 2015 (UTC) agario has a wide amount of green fuzzy blobs called viruses where if you go inside them you explod to many pieces no matter you size it only works if you are bigger however they do give you up to 250 when you go up to them so it can be a dangerous way to get mass

 Not done This is not a "How to" guide, but an encyclopedia article - as noted above, if anything, there is already too much detail. - Arjayay (talk) 13:58, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Tortle (talk · contribs) 05:31, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

@Tortle: Any comment on this review after passing it (e.g. see this review for an example). Esquivalience ^t 14:49, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

• @Tortle, where's the review? At the very least, the lede's development stuff should be moved into a development section, the "original research" inline tag should be addressed (a citation for every paragraph), and the lede should be a summary of the article's contents rather than the place where items are first cited... Also there were no dev interviews on the dev process for the dev section? – czar 15:42, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Judging their other GA reviews and drive-by GA nominations, I don't think the reviewer fully understands the process. They've only made 48 mainspace edits.--The1337gamer (talk) 16:02, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

• Can an experienced editor reassess the article? Although I still believe that it nearly meets the GA criteria, there's always something wrong. Esquivalience ^t 16:13, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

• Also, some more comments:

• There is no "development" section because a) it's a relatively new and simple game b) there are no reliable sources covering the development; just some Reddit speculation and c) the development process is opaque. If someone can find RS on the development, then I'll add it in.
• There is semi-protection as with any other game propagated through social media. It's not an edit war or content dispute; but addition of garbage links, copyright violations, and vandalism. Esquivalience ^t 16:21, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

I found a bunch of interviews from a simple search. They're fine to add as self-published sources. – czar 16:25, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

There's some good information right there - added development section. Esquivalience ^t 17:23, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

• Article renominated for GA. Esquivalience ^t 17:46, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Gameplay details

The article seems to have too many gameplay details. "The minimum mass to split is 37" and "Cells lose 16 mass per ejection and are required to have at least 35 mass" include specific values that have no interest for a Wikipedia reader, but could have interest for a player. Therefore, I think it should be in a dedicated wiki or in a guide, but not here. Can anybody confirm? Aohayou (talk) 06:07, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Absolutely right. Details that specific violate WP:VGSCOPE. ~ Rob^Talk 18:39, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

I had forgot to notify earlier but I tagged with {{overly detailed}} so that someone comes and fixes it. --TL22 (talk) 21:31, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

@Rob: Thank you for the link to the precise rule, I will read more about that. @TL22: I saw this tag earlier and your recent modifications correct it. I will try to make this section even simpler later today. Aohayou (talk) 02:54, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Personally, I feel that we should make a brief mention of the gamemodes (FFA, teams etc.) and cut down the detail on the gameplay section (which is definitely too much detail for a Wikipedia article). -Sonicwave ^(talk|c) 01:36, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Description regarding Alexa rank is not reflected in Infobox

The description shows that "Agar.io was quickly successful upon release; the agar.io website (for the browser version) was ranked by Alexa as one of the 1,000 most visited websites," however, it is not reflected in the infobox. Mount2010 (talk) 10:55, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

{{Infobox video game}} doesn't have an Alexa rank parameter. It is cited in the prose which is fine. --The1337gamer (talk) 10:59, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Spawners

I've added spawners to the page, but I'm not able to label it as a type of virus. Do you think it is a good edit or not? NHPluto (talk) 20:46, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

I reverted the edit. Experimental mode on Agar.io is only for testing purposes and I don't think there are reliable sources to indicate that that content would be encyclopedic. --TL22 (talk) 00:22, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Ok then. NHPluto (talk) 17:29, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

"Flash game"

Someone added the category of "Flash game", even though it's HTML5. Could someone remove that? 189.89.133.162 (talk) 08:29, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Sorry. I added it, I'll get rid of it. Catmando999 Check out his talk page! 09:10, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Tintor2 (talk · contribs) 21:48, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Hello, I'll be reviewing this article. It is really well written but there some things that might require fixing.

• The lead is full of citations which seems unnecessary per WP:Lead#Citations. The body appears to have all references. The article also is not so big so some paragraphs could be merged.
• The infobox also has one reference for a date. I would recommend it moving the reference to the body unless such date is controversial.
• The reception section could use the two reviews mentioned in this link.

And that's all. Good work.Tintor2 (talk) 21:48, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) There is really no problem with citations in the lead section or infobox. Statements in these locations can be challenged. Although citations are not required, there should be no reason to not allow their presence. sst✈ 05:53, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

I get your point but the lead feels a bit too detailed. Think of this as the start of a formal letter:

"Agar.io is a massively multiplayer action game designed by Matheus Valadares. Players control a cell in a map representing a petri dish; the goal is to gain as much mass as possible by swallowing smaller cells without being swallowed by bigger ones. The name Agar.io comes from the substance agar, used to culture bacteria. It was initially advertised on 4chan in April 2015 as a browser game. It quickly became popular largely due to word of mouth on social media, most notably YouTube and Twitch.tv. In May 2015, Agar.io entered Steam Greenlight with Valadares planning to add features unavailable in the browser version. It was approved by the community for listing on Steam. Miniclip published an Android and iOS version in July 2015.

Agar.io was released to a positive critical reception. Many praised the game's browser and mobile versions for its simplicity, competition, and mechanics, but some critics disliked its repetitiveness. The mobile versions received criticism for its controls, which were described as unwieldy. Agar.io was quickly successful upon release; the agar.io website (for the browser version) was ranked by Alexa as one of the 1,000 most visited websites, and the mobile versions were downloaded more than ten million times during its first week"

This is just a small draft not to be taken seriously but I think it would help to avoid undue weight.Tintor2 (talk) 15:56, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for offering to review this article. I have shortened the lead a bit and gave less weight to the control and repetitiveness critics. Esquivalience ^t 22:46, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Good work. I passed the article to GA. There are still some references in the lead but it's still pretty improved. Congratulations.Tintor2 (talk) 23:21, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Incorrect info

There was an edit a few days ago added by SireWonton that added a lot of incorrect info (like the 10% figure, it's incorrect). And some really weird phrasing, I'd revert it, but I don't have the permissions to do so. 189.89.133.162 (talk) 01:56, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

118.71.182.70 (talk)

Agario is a massively multiplayer action game developed by Matheus Valadares — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.71.182.70 (talk) 07:27, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Bots

Maybe add something about the very disliked "bots"? Thepotato57 (talk) 00:53, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Mass Loss

Mass Loss was literally just copied from the game. Please copyedit this. --FlyingToastedWheat (talk) 13:52, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

I'm quite confused about what "the game" is supposed to refer to in your sentence. I didn't remember Agar.io to come with a guide but I checked the game website to be sure. The changelog is the only place I can find some sentences about the gameplay and the mass loss isn't there. I also checked the reddit FAQ and the Gameplay part of the agarioguide.com website and the game Steam page but I can't find what you're talking about. Can you please precise the source this section was copied from? I will be happy to edit that once this is clear. Aohayou (talk) 14:48, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

The mass loss is constant, increasing in speed as you grow larger. Thepotato57 (talk) 00:55, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 December 2015

187.135.21.161 (talk) 16:22, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 17:17, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Wrong numbers

Just because a number is "cited" it doesn't mean that the source is trustable. The "90%" figure in "provided that they are less than 90% of the other cell's size" is completely incorrect. 189.89.133.162 (talk) 19:06, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable source stating otherwise? clpo13_(talk) 19:14, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

We trust sources more than the truth. Esquivalience ^t 22:33, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

You can always test it in game. The correct values are that the larger cell has to have 33% more mass (that is, smaller cell has 75% of the larger cell's mass). And it's not like you can't verify it in game. Viruses have 100 mass, you can only eat them once you have 134 mass. Testing with players is trickier since you can't see the mass, but both require the same mass difference to be edible. 189.89.133.162 (talk) 23:09, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:No original research. Esquivalience ^t 00:58, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

If the truthiness of a statement is disputed, I'd rather have it removed than simply present wrong information in the article. Would you really trust a statement from a blogpost with very little traffic (also completely unsourced)? 189.89.133.162 (talk) 18:16, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

One of the criticisms of Wikipedia is that anyone can place random information and it would stick. This is not the case, but I would actually trust the Daily Mail more than original research (not saying that I would use the Daily Mail as a reference). Esquivalience ^t 04:20, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 March 2016

180.191.71.93 (talk) 04:37, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not requested a change.
If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 08:36, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Top 10

Top 10 high score section should be added. It should be for FFA who played solo.--150.216.254.207 (talk) 22:22, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

List of notable Agar.io usernames

List of notable Agar.io usernames must be added. The article is of too high importance not to be added to a "see also" section.--Agar.io expert (talk) 13:33, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

How would this be meaningful to any reader? Most of the popular usernames are self-explanatory or simply unimportant. Gluons12 (talk) 18:18, 28 May 2016 (UTC).

Semi-protected edit request on 8 July 2016

Agar.io should not be listed as a strategy game, it's an action game with some tactical thinking. Read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategy_video_game (especially the "Relationship to other genres" part)

Ovocean (talk) 10:31, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

 Not done @Ovocean: The game is a strategy game, even by the definition that article provides. Please provide reliable sources that say Agar.io is not a strategy game. Anarchyte (work | talk) 07:57, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

@Anarchyte: Saying it fits the definition of a strategy game on Wikipedia is a big stretch. There is no long term planning in this game, and most importantly players are in direct control of a single unit (contrary to strategy games where the player "indirectly controls game units under their command"). Players randomly enter into short conflicts where they must take quick decisions to win or survive and ultimately rely on their reflexes and physical coordination to navigate the arena safely and take out other cells. Agar.io doesn't involve more strategic thinking than a competitive shooter. Now for the sources, I checked a dozen of popular video game websites, those that listed Agar.io all classified it or described it as an action game: IGN, GameSpot, MobyGames, GameFAQs. If you have reliable sources describing Agar.io as a strategy game, please provide them. I personally haven't seen strategy mentioned anywhere outside of this wikipedia page.

Done If Anarchyte can provide reliable sources that this game is a strategy game, I'll be happy to revert this, but I've removed it for now as Ovocean makes a good point. Omni Flames (talk) 07:50, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Diagram

http://www.pocketgamer.biz/news/61803/agario-most-downloaded-ios-game-july-2015/ - what doyou think about this information? Dawid2009 (talk) 18:46, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

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Osmos

Several sources write that Osmos (2009) is a precursor to the game. Would be worth mentioning.[1]  czar 18:00, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

It is no way ! Who is not interested in it topic for two years?~It game also should be in: See also. Dawid2009 (talk) 19:02, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

GA Request

A GA Request has been filed for this article. The only real issue I can see is the update tag. I did a bit of googling and nothing jumped out at me as needing to be added. I am assuming it is in relation to the steam port, and even a bit of original research doesn't turn anything up. Unless someone responds I will probably remove the tag and the request. AIRcorn (talk) 00:14, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Agree No real major rebuild/update of the game has been released or expected. The tag does not accurately represent an imminent need to update the article, and the article is still “stable” under GA criteria. Therefore, I am removing the update tag and the GAR request tag. —Nemoschool (talk) 09:16, 13 November 2019 (UTC)