Talk:Agent (video game)

RAGE and Euphoria

I can probably guess that these will be the engines. ShockMetric 17:09, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

stunning how little is known

stunning how little is known about this game. Markthemac (talk) 14:54, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Not really. Rockstar is pretty good at keeping projects under wraps. It is possible, though, that LA Noire was something of a testbed for technology to be used in Agent. Just my thought, anyhow.Intothatdarkness (talk) 18:50, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Agent appears in Rockstar Social Club

This is something I just noticed. The game has appeared in Rockstar's library with Agent's logo and the words "coming soon." It wasn't there recently. Here's a screenshot:

http://i.imgur.com/MKxKDzE.jpg

2602:306:BCA3:4C00:1C6C:5474:32DE:9DC4 (talk) 06:12, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

If my memory serves correctly, that's been there for a while now. -- Rhain1999 ^{(talk to me)} 06:20, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Yep, its been there ever since the club opened in 2008. - X201 (talk) 08:13, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

There was an original "Agent"

In 2003 there was a game called Agent that was being developed by Rockstar San Diego and Rockstar studios, but it was cancelled. Now Rockstar North has this project called "Agent" that was thought to be cancelled, but Rockstar North renews the trademark every couple years. This is what led to a lot of confusion- as these are separate projects, but is this noteworthy on the page? or even a separate page for a cancelled game? Citationhelper ^(talk) 02:11, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

The question is, do you have a source on that former project? "Rockstar San Diego and Rockstar Studios" seems redundant, as "Rockstar Studios" always refers to multiple (usually all) Rockstar-owned studios. Rockstar also follows the "one project at a time" policy, and seeing that Rockstar San Diego (also just renamed that year, though owned by R* since 2002-11-20) released two games that year, it seems unlikely. Lordtobi (✉) 18:18, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

My mistake, in the article I read- I misread "Rockstar San Diego / Angel Studios". I read through it quickly and my mind filled in Angel Studios for Rockstar studios. What was meant by the original article was that, the game was produced by- Rockstar San Diego, formerly Angel Studios. As far as the "one project at a time policy"- I have no idea what you're talking about, as Rockstar San Diego has released more than one game in a year 3 times, and 4 times as Angel Studios. As far as the source for the former game itself- I found a couple sources, but they seem kinda flimsy, but I have been looking for more information on the game and will continue to do so. Citationhelper ^(talk) 01:38, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, no. I won't be able to pull sufficient info together. It was never officially announced. All I can find are just leaks, rumors, and a couple screenshots- forget it.Citationhelper ^(talk) 01:54, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Don't give up yet, because I actually found a reliable source on the matter while researching for the Rockstar San Diego article yesterday. See this Kotaku article, as it outlines the following:

Unlike Take-Two's 2011 E3 Sony press conference announcement of BioShock Vita, Agent is a title that has actually been in development twice. Agent was originally in development at Rockstar San Diego in 2003 as a prototype for PS2/Xbox. It would seem that version of the game was at least partially set in Cairo; one former Rockstar San Diego artist said he and three other people spent a week in the city taking "over 10,000 photographs" for reference materials.

That version was ultimately put on hold, and the project was resurrected a number of years later as the Agent we vaguely know today. As a number of resumes attest, version two of Agent is/was also an actual project in development under the auspices of Rockstar North, with Rockstar San Diego helping out.

Furthermore, these two VG247 articles, [1][2], give the circumstance in somewhat shorter forms:

Agent had a long history before its E3 2009 announcement: it began life as a prototype for PS2 and Xbox at Rockstar San Diego in 2003 before being put on hold. A few years later it was resurrected and touted as a PS3 exclusive – for a while at least. Now, it's unclear since Rockstar remains silent on the matter.

Agent first began life as a prototype for PS2 and Xbox at Rockstar San Diego in 2003 and was subsequently put hold before being revealed once more as a PS3 exclusive.

...though the Kotaku one is obviously the better choice here, but that doesn't keep us from using multiple. So yes, it can be incorporated into the article! I might do it myself later, as I currently lack the time to do so, but if you wish you can just go ahead right now! Lordtobi (✉) 11:16, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for digging this up! I was ready to abandon the issue. I'll see to incorporating it sometime this week. Citationhelper ^(talk) 00:35, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

I removed this again as the two projects don't seem to be connected outside name and publisher. There is some information about Rockstar San Diego's Agent on the studio's article. Lordtobi (✉) 12:58, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

"Upcoming"

The page ends by saying the game's trademark has once again been abandoned, so I don't think it's correct to refer to the game as "upcoming" in the opening paragraph. Since there still seems to be debate over whether or not it's actually been cancelled, can I suggest we change it to "proposed"? Spartan198 (talk) 06:45, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

• • Agree Essentially Vapourware at this point. Spy-cicle (talk) 21:11, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

I disagree. Until the game is removed from Rockstar's website, we should still assume that it is "upcoming"—if reliable sources declare that it is vaporware, then we can refer to them in the article, but we should not make our own conclusions. – Rhain ☔ 07:51, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

This is a bit of an absurd position. Given all evidence, it is quite safe to assume that this game will never be released in the form the article currently lists. Based on the Teahouse discussion of this topic, I propose changing the article to refer to the game as "unreleased" instead of "upcoming". This both makes it clear that it won't be coming out as originally described while also not making the claim it has been cancelled without having official notice of cancellation. Esoteric bearcat (talk) 01:16, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Take-Two abandoned the trademark, this does not mean that they cannot file for it again (as they have done multiple times) or file for a different one. Even if the game is unlikely to come out, Rockstar still touts it as upcoming and continues to list the release date as "TBA". As long as we don't have a definitive answer, this should remain unchanged in the article. Everything else would be original research. Lordtobi (✉) 12:04, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

It's true that the website is still up and it still lists TBA as the launch date, but it also still lists the Playstation 3 as the exclusive home for the title. At the very least, that is impossible. Rockstar will not waste time developing a game for a dead system. No official statement regarding the continued development of the game is sourced that I can see, and even if the game's development does get picked up, it's definitely not going to be "an upcoming stealth action game...for the PlayStation 3". It seems to me calling it an upcoming game is as much an assumption as calling it vaporware. A more neutral statement should be constructed, perhaps something along the lines "Agent is a stealth action video game property of uncertain development status..." CamdenQ (talk) 04:47, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Related Teahouse discussion

Linking related Teahouse discussion for reference: Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1062 § Is something 'upcoming' if there's zero evidence to support that it is under development anymore? Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 20:00, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

The PS3 was discontinued almost 5 years ago.

"Agent is an upcoming stealth action game developed by Rockstar North and published by Rockstar Games for the PlayStation 3."

Old statements may say they were developing for the PS3 but that is borderline impossible now. Please remove any current/ongoing references to the PS3. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coystags (talk • contribs) 14:41, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Coystags, although it is likely that a AAA game will not be released on a last-last-gen console, saying that this is "borderline impossible" is original research. This is not to mention that games for PlayStation 3 (and Wii, which has been discontinued since 2011) have released as recently as last year, like Shakedown: Hawaii. IceWelder [✉] 15:16, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Time for an Editnotice?

Given that the bulk of edits to this article are now people thinking they know that the game is cancelled, followed by the subsequent revert, would adding an edit notice to the article help? e.g.

The wording in the above can be changed around as needed. Opinions? - X201 (talk) 07:57, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Looks good to me. I think it's about time. – Rhain ☔ 08:49, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

I'm all for such an edit notice even if the smallest protion of users is actually going to read it. IceWelder [✉] 14:35, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

 Done - X201 (talk) 08:15, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

I think the edit notice needs to be updated. Rockstar has removed the game from its website, and reliable sources [3][4][5][6] refer to it as canceled, unreleased, or having been absorbed into other projects like Red Dead Redemption and GTA V. JOEBRO64 16:18, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

I guess the edit notice can be removed entirely now that it it is no longer claimed to be in development. IceWelder [✉] 17:11, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Upcoming -> unreleased

Why not make this change in the first line? Regardless of the game's development status, "upcoming" is an unfitting descriptor, as it implies that the release is in the near future, which has not been true over the course of many years. "Unreleased", on the other hand, is certainly true, and makes no implication whether the game has been cancelled at the concept stage, is in active development, is partially developed but not actively worked on, is about to be released, etc. It is true regardless of what we don't know. 204.112.199.2 (talk) 21:16, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

I tend to agree, but the Games section of Rockstar's website still lists the game. Current wording is definitely a bit weird; worth raising with WT:VG. — ImaginesTigers (talk) 19:39, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

See the edit notice. IceWelder [✉] 21:06, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

The website does not say "upcoming", it merely says the release date is TBA. Upcoming means "in the near future". A game that has been "in the near future" for more than a decade is an absurdity, until there is some indication that is, indeed, coming in the near future. If they were continually announcing new release dates and then pushing them back, then saying the game had been upcoming for a decade might make sense, but they haven't. The other two points fit perfectly well with "unreleased". 204.112.199.2 (talk) 10:01, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

I very much agree with this. People say that stating the game is cancelled is an WP:Original research. However, assuming the game will release is a blatant original research too. "Upcoming" heavily implies the game has a release date and will certainly come out. The game is currently in limbo, not "upcoming". We must change the opening sentence, it's misleading and unintentionally funny. "For Playstation 3"? Haha. enjoyer -- talk 11:42, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@Enjoyer of World: "assuming the game will release" is absolutely not original research; in fact, it directly reflects what the sources say—most importantly, Rockstar—which is the exact opposite of OR. That being said, I don't entirely disagree with your edit, as I think it maintains all of the reliably-sourced information without making any assumptions about the game's status. – Rhain ☔ 12:01, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

What do the sources say? Is it currently in active development? Rockstar said nothing. TBA basically means no information. enjoyer -- talk 12:08, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

The last time we heard from Rockstar, it was in active development. Unless they say otherwise—or, at the very least, remove the game from their website—we can only assume that this is still the case. Assuming otherwise is OR. – Rhain ☔ 12:15, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Which was 10 years ago. Yeah, I've read that, because that information is in the article. enjoyer -- talk 13:57, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

My point exactly. There isn't a time limit on references. – Rhain ☔ 14:00, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

I think there is a specific point to the wording. To me "Upcoming" means that a game will come at some point in the future but does not exist at the moment. Whereas "unreleased" suggests the game exists in some form and has not been released. I think Agent is very much the former. - X201 (talk) 07:19, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

X201, but how can you know if the game has existed or not? How much of the game have been developed? enjoyer -- talk 11:34, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@Rhain:: It's been a while, but worth noting Rockstar have removed Agent from the website. This article might warrant a merge discussion now. — ImaginesTigers (talk∙contribs) 05:21, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Maybe. There are plenty of articles about cancelled games, so that's not automatically a reason to merge; there might still be enough commentary on the game's development and apparent cancellation to justify an article. In any case, I'll leave it to others. FWIW, I'm not even a primary contributor to this article; there are plenty of others who should be pinged before me. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 05:35, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Source code for Agent got leaked.

There's been a massive source code leak, and among them, this game. 24.152.144.132 (talk) 21:17, 4 February 2024 (UTC)