Talk:Agorism

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someone replaced the second and third paragraphs which had references, with an entirely different section, with no citations or references. it had one note referencing Schulman and his book, but Schulman was a science fiction writer inspired by Konkin. It would be fair to think that Schulman might have differed from Konkin regardless of his "inspiration", Konkin outlined agorism, a scifi writer didnt. This edit should be discussed as it had attempted to replace a referenced section with weak unsubstantial claims and shoddy references. 71.205.253.125 (talk · contribs)

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MY FIRST EDIT: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Agorism&type=revision&diff=740426935&oldid=738327211 Explanation; That footnote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agorism#cite_note-newlibman-1 links to Konkin's essay ("New Libertarian Manifesto") that defined agorism. It's a PDF, here: http://agorism.info/docs/NewLibertarianManifesto.pdf It's hard to make heads or tails of the footnotes in that PDF...... Because he starts the numbering over each section. And there's no page numbering on it. But.......the ONLY mention of Schulman in that PDF is a reference to his book Alongside Night and it's only as an EXAMPLE of Agorism in literature, NOT "this book/ this guy helped me invent agorism." It's in the last section, Action! Our Tactics It's footnote [1] IN THAT SECTION (there are several footnote number 1 in this thing), "......of course, publication, public speaking, writing fiction with agorist messages [1]. that footnote leads to "[1] E.g., Alongside Night by J. Neil Schulman (Crown, 1979; Ace, 1982) and expected sequels" There is NOTHING in that manifesto to support the claim on the wiki page "that agorism was created...... with contributions partly by J. Neil Schulman."

MY SECOND EDIT: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Agorism&type=revision&diff=740429289&oldid=740426935 Circular reference. This was text inserted by J. Neil Schulman quoting J. Neil Schulman and the reference is a book by J. Neil Schulman.

J. Neil Schulman LOVES CIRCULAR REFERENCES. He sometimes even says he's the co-founder of Agorism, then cites this article on Agorism (which he has heavily edited many times to add himself) as proof. Here's an example on his Facebook where he quotes a glowing fan letter someone (allegedly) sent him. The letter references the Agorism wikipedia article as how the person learned of Schulman's "contributions" to Agorism: https://www.facebook.com/jneilschulman/posts/10208996477489685

LibPar2017 (talk) 06:32, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

This is J. Neil Schulman. I have never, not once, contributed to or edited the Agorism article on Wikipedia. Whoever LibPar2017 is, is making that up 100% to justify his/her desire to rewrite history. I suggest reverting the article to wherever it was before this troll butchered it.

Today I removed another gratuitous L. Neil Schulman comment, probably inserted by Schulman, as has often with this article. was right after this part near the top: "It was first proposed by libertarian philosopher Samuel Edward Konkin III at two conferences, CounterCon I in October 1974 and CounterCon II in May 1975."

I'd invite any editors to look at another recent schulman addition, this one: "Successively, J. Neil Schulman criticized this thesis in "Informational Property: Logorights".[9] "

I don't think that's relevant to the article.

The other one can stay, in the "Literature" section, the mentions of Schulman there are the only real relevant thing with schulman in the article. The thing at the end about "alongside night" it gratuitous, but could stay, that movie does use the word "agorism" a heck of a lot. (though also has the heroes advocating for political change through the system more than via agorism.) ElizaBarrington (talk) 07:52, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

I have removed the word successively at least. It isn't clear what that means here. Literally it means something like several times, but there's no reference to that. It could convey the idea of success, and that's perhaps why he chose that term. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.175.77.9 (talk) 22:08, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

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Agorism is a social philosophy that advocates creating a society in which all relations between people are voluntary exchanges by means of counter-economics, engaging with aspects of nonviolent revolution.

Could someone with deeper knowledge of Agorism please rephrase this sentence so that it makes sense to curious persons who are not into the topic? Thanks! —Anthon.Eff (talk) 03:46, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

That's the opening sentence, and that should be short. You do have two links there for explaining the two most complicated terms. As for explanation – that's what the rest of the article is for. Ponken (talk) 06:29, 8 July 2022 (UTC)