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Requested move
edit- The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: Move to Ahmet Esat Tomruk - This appears to be the most common name. Neelix (talk) 14:24, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
English Kemal → Ahmet Esat Tomruk – per WP:COMMONNAME
As long as I understand, nobody used the term "English Kemal" ("English Kemal" -Llc ???). We can find the term "Kemal the Englishman" only in a source. We cannot accepte these names as common name. But unfortunately we cannot find English translation of the term "İngiliz Kemal". He had real name, it was Ahmet Esat Tomruk. ("Ahmet Esat Tomruk" -Llc) Takabeg (talk) 11:33, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
- I'd suggest moving the page to İngiliz Kemal without discussion. Srnec (talk) 00:14, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
- "İngiliz Kemal" is not English language but Turkish language. "İngiliz Kemal" isn't popular outside Turkey. And I guess most of Turkish children don't know him (meybe they heard his name :)). Furthermore, Ahmet Esat Tomruk is not only spy but also author of sevral books. "Esat Tomruk". I prefer to chose his real name as the title of this article like Elyesa Bazna, who is commonly known as Cicero (in Turkey, "Çiçero"). Anyway "English Kemal" is a name invented by Wikipedia :)) Takabeg (talk) 00:28, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
- I found English results for İngiliz Kemal. Srnec (talk) 00:37, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
- Which one ? In this sourse we can find "Ingiliz Kemal" (the title of a film), not "İngiliz Kemal". Takabeg (talk) 00:57, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
- I found English results for İngiliz Kemal. Srnec (talk) 00:37, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
- "İngiliz Kemal" is not English language but Turkish language. "İngiliz Kemal" isn't popular outside Turkey. And I guess most of Turkish children don't know him (meybe they heard his name :)). Furthermore, Ahmet Esat Tomruk is not only spy but also author of sevral books. "Esat Tomruk". I prefer to chose his real name as the title of this article like Elyesa Bazna, who is commonly known as Cicero (in Turkey, "Çiçero"). Anyway "English Kemal" is a name invented by Wikipedia :)) Takabeg (talk) 00:28, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
- You're not restricting your results to English. "Esat Tomruk" gets 4 hits at GoogleBooks vs. 25 for "Ingiliz Kemal" when restricted to English sources. Many even of these are false positives, such as quotes from Turkish sources or references to the film. Srnec (talk) 14:29, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
- 25 ? Which sources ? Please show us. Takabeg (talk) 15:25, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
- You're not restricting your results to English. "Esat Tomruk" gets 4 hits at GoogleBooks vs. 25 for "Ingiliz Kemal" when restricted to English sources. Many even of these are false positives, such as quotes from Turkish sources or references to the film. Srnec (talk) 14:29, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.