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Aigun Treaty was signed in the town of Aigun, China. However, I was unable to find any modern references to this town (Encyclopaedia Britannica 1911 was the most modern source available). Was it renamed? Does it even exist now? --Ezhiki 14:52, Mar 19, 2004 (UTC)

I can't find anything about "Aigun" as such, however the same town is also sometimes spelled "Aihun". This page claims that the modern town of Heihe (which does appear on modern maps, if they're of sufficient detail) was formerly known as Aihun, so I suppose it's probable that they're the same place. Couldn't guarantee it, though. -- Vardion 08:32, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Well, the location of the province the town is in shown on the map seems right. It would still be good to have more definite information about whether or not this is the same town, before making a link on the Aigun page. Thanks! --Ezhiki 14:52, Mar 19, 2004 (UTC)

Actually, having investigated more closely, it's possible that Aigun and Heihe are not exactly the same after all. This site says that Aigun is "about 31 kilometres" away from Heihe, and this site agrees. The official Heihe government website says that Aihui (ie, Aigun, Aihun, etc.) is a district within the city's territorial limits. Other sites, such as this one, simply list Aihui, Aigun, and Heihe as being identical. The whole situation seems somewhat confused, but I'd probably say that the relationship isn't simply one of renaming. Rather, I think that Aigun (old but small) has probably been absorbed or superceded by the newer/larger city of Heihe. How that helps the Aigun article, I don't know. -- Vardion 01:28, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I will move this discussion to the Aigun Talk page. I am not quite sure what else can be done, especially that Heihe article is non-existent. Thanks for your time and help anyway! --Ezhiki 17:30, Mar 22, 2004 (UTC)

I believe that the two are the same, Aihun being the pronunciation of the modern Chinese name of the town, Aigun being the Manchurian name dated back to the Qing Dynasty, which the rulers and inhabitants were mostly Manchurian-speaking. --218.191.131.92 15:00, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Google earth puts Aigun about 3 km upstream of Heihe. There don't seem to be any towns 30km away. Benjamin Trovato (talk) 02:46, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Benjamin, when dealing with maps of China, you should always be aware that (nearly) the same name may appear twice, the two occurrences being 30km - or more - from each other! (See e.g. Linxia City and Linxia County). In this case, it appears that the label for Aihui District (爱辉区) sits, roughly at downtown Heihe (here at Google Maps). But if you go some 30 km south, you'll find "Aihuizhen" (i.e., Aihui Town, 爱辉镇), which is probably part of Aihui District. (Districts in China are divided into towns and townships; however, I don't have a map that would show the district's exact borders).

Now, if you zoom on Aihui Town, you'll see that it has all those historical sites - "Aihui Ancient City" (爱辉古城), "Aigun Heroic Defenders' of the Fatherland Garden" (Aihun Weiguo Yingxiong Yuan, 瑷珲卫国英雄园), "Aihui Historical Exhibition Hall" (Aihui Lishi Chenlie Guan, 爱辉历史陈列馆) - so it obviously has to be the historical Aigun (Aihun, 瑷珲 in Chinese). My Chinese is very poor, but this is basically what the official city website says too: "1913年建立瑷珲县(县政府设在今爱辉镇)", i.e. "In 1913, Aihun County was created (the county government was based in today's Aihui Town (Aihuizhen))".

Based on what the government page says about the later history - as I've summarized in Aihui District - there was first the town of Aigun (Aihun, 30 km south of today's Heihe center city); then it became the center of Aihun County (1913). Then the county was renamed Aihui County (1956), and, in 1983, merged into Heihe City and abolished. Then, in 1993, Heihe City became Aihui District (so I guess the modern district goivernment is in downtown Heihe, and not in the historic Aihui Town), and Heihe Prefecture (a higher-level unit, including the former Heihe City and a bunch of other counties) became Heihe City. Does it make for easy reading yet? Vmenkov (talk) 03:26, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

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