Talk:AirCars

Lack of citations and wholesale copying of text

This article is uncited in a lot of areas, which is why I've added the requests e.g. where do the actual figures of 300 and 100 come from?

The major issue is the wholesale copying of the game manual text into this article. As can be seen by the citations they point to specific pages of the manual scans. On checking a PDF version of the manual e.g. http://www.gamesdatabase.org/Media/SYSTEM/Atari_Jaguar/Manual/formated/AirCars_-_1997_-_ICD.pdf it can easily be seen that it has been copied to a very high proportion. StraightDown (talk) 09:33, 26 April 2018 (UTC) StraightDown (talk) 09:33, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Maybe if you didn't edited out the references and sources i've linked you'll see the answer for yourself. Also, game manual references ARE allowed, look at Dino Crisis, the manual has copyright material, yes, but it's used under Fair use for educational purposes (just like i've done in BattleSphere), something you don't seem understand and want to fullfil your agenda against me here at Wikipedia. Read some of the stuff about references here: Wikipedia:Citing sources. KGRAMR (talk) 22:36, 26 April 2018 (UTC) An interesting view, perhaps you could point to the references I've deleted? I've added the citation requests where facts have been stated that are unverified.

Perhaps you should also look at, for example, the talk on mutant penguins where you have also wholesale copied the manual.

The important word in "fair use" is fair. If you took someone's exam report and added your name on the top and bottom then it would not be fair. If, as it says in the article on citations which I have read a few times, you should know that it should be limited, cited, surrounded by quotes. What you've done here, and in several other articles, is cut and paste, losing the attribution to the people who created the original copyrighted material.

You've been informed of this before as can be seen on your talk page when you were adding copyrighted text to the AVP article. At that time you were also informed of what was acceptable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:KGRAMR#/talk/2

StraightDown (talk) 10:21, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

I'll now stick to just adding reviews of Jaguar games into their article 'cause since "you know so much about them", why don't you go and edit them your own way then? Don't bother me anymore after this. KGRAMR (talk) 15:32, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

I know enough to see where uncited "facts" are stated. FYI the 300 and 100 figures are still unaccounted for. There is no agenda from me but I do sense a persecution complex from yourself, never addressing the root issues but attacking anyone for pointing them out. This is not a personal playground. StraightDown (talk) 19:42, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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This review is transcluded from Talk:AirCars/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: KGRAMR (talk · contribs) 17:10, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Arconning (talk · contribs) 12:14, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

I will be reviewing this, comments will probably be finished in the next 72 hours! Arconning (talk) 12:14, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

@KGRAMR Here are my comments. Hope they can be addressed. Arconning (talk) 15:51, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Prose and MoS

• Dates are inconsistent. Ex: Infobox has M/D/Y, ref 27 has Y/M/D. Fix every dating system in the page so that they will be consistent all through out.

 Done -- Roberth Martinez (talk) 23:16, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Lead and infobox

• The player is tasked with destroying key targets,, remove comma.

 Done -- Roberth Martinez (talk) 21:57, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

• co-operative campaign, add a comma at the end.

 Done -- Roberth Martinez (talk) 21:57, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

• critics;, replace semicolon with period.

 Done -- Roberth Martinez (talk) 21:57, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

• before playing was considered a disadvantage, add a comma at the end.

 Done -- Roberth Martinez (talk) 21:57, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Gameplay and premise

• The player is tasked with eliminating the organization by piloting a prototype aircar, which is teleported to a E.B.N.E.R.S. base complex.[3][5][6][7][8], this seems like WP:OVERCITE, kinda. If they all say the same statement, probably remove at least one, or put some of the references between the sentences.

 Done -- Roberth Martinez (talk) 22:33, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

• a E.B.N.E.R.S., an E.B.N.E.R.S.

 Done -- Roberth Martinez (talk) 22:33, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

• shotgun, machine gun, a shotgun, a machine gun.

 Done -- Roberth Martinez (talk) 22:33, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

• mines and a smoke screen., add a comma after mines.

 Done -- Roberth Martinez (talk) 22:33, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

• have effect, have an effect.

 Done -- Roberth Martinez (talk) 22:33, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

• display of the aircar shows , just remove the last s.

 Done -- Roberth Martinez (talk) 22:33, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

• campaign using JagLink , add a comma at the end.

 Done -- Roberth Martinez (talk) 22:33, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Development and release

• Some of the statements have like 5 references at the end, if they all support the statement with the same information probably omit one.

 Done -- Roberth Martinez (talk) 22:33, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

• Electronics Show,, remove comma.

 Done -- Roberth Martinez (talk) 22:33, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

• but received a poor response, add a comma at the end.

 Done -- Roberth Martinez (talk) 22:33, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

• without box, without a box.

 Done -- Roberth Martinez (talk) 22:33, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Reception

• No issues.

Legacy

• No issues.

Images

• Images have fair use licenses which makes sense for the article at hand. Pass.

Refs

• Earwig, violation unlikely.
• Random ref check: 1, 13, 17, 20, 25, 27, 45, 51, okay. 34 seems a bit dodgy, could you explain if this is a reliable source? Seems like an ebay listing due to the part of the website's domain name.

Allright, i'll explain what Jaguar Sector II (ref #34) is: Jaguar Sector II was a website similar to Planet Virtual Boy (a website dedicated to the Virtual Boy) but dedicated to the Atari Jaguar instead where they had their own databases for games and their release dates, plus dates of their own self-funded releases. Roberth Martinez (talk) 22:35, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Misc

• No ongoing edit war, pretty broad and focused information on the topic, neutral once again.

Good Article review progress box

Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

@Arconning:OK, i managed to get around every inquiry you had. Are there any more issues left to be addressed? Roberth Martinez (talk) 23:03, 4 July 2024 (UTC)