Talk:Aiyy Faith
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One organisation, two organisations, one movement?
editI find the wording in the article somewhat confusing. It currently says that Aiyy iteghele is an organisation registered in 2015, but that it also previously was named Kut-Siur and was founded in 1990 and registered in 1993. Are they different organisations, the same organisation that needed to re-register for some reason, or the same organisation that just changed its name? Looking at the sources, I used machine translation to read the relevant parts of Popov 2016, but it didn't help much. It first says Aiyy iteghele is an association known as(?) Kut-Siur, then brings up some related organisations including a school, and then mentions that the movement became expressed through the organisation Aiyy iteghele in 2015. I can't figure out if this means that Kut-Siur had folded and was replaced by a new organisation, if they are the same one with a name change, or if both perhaps continue to exist in parallel. DayakSibiriak, can you help out here? Ffranc (talk) 14:00, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- How I understood, has been registered a new organisation, according to new Putin's era rules. DayakSibiriak (talk) 04:10, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
- So are they one organisation or two? I stumbled on this when I was doing some categorisation, so what I'm asking is if the article should be in a category for organisations established in 1990 or 2015. Do you know of any source where this is made clear? Popov 2016 didn't help, Balzer 2005 obviously only talks about Kut-Siur, and Tomski 2014 only seems to talk about beliefs, not organisations. I can't access Vorontsova & Filatov 2006, but it's also from before the Aiyy iteghele era. I did some searching but couldn't find anything else. Ffranc (talk) 11:15, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
- As informal movement it founded in 1990, as new organisation body in 2015 (the 1993 org. already defuncted). DayakSibiriak (talk) 21:27, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
- So are they one organisation or two? I stumbled on this when I was doing some categorisation, so what I'm asking is if the article should be in a category for organisations established in 1990 or 2015. Do you know of any source where this is made clear? Popov 2016 didn't help, Balzer 2005 obviously only talks about Kut-Siur, and Tomski 2014 only seems to talk about beliefs, not organisations. I can't access Vorontsova & Filatov 2006, but it's also from before the Aiyy iteghele era. I did some searching but couldn't find anything else. Ffranc (talk) 11:15, 3 May 2023 (UTC)