Talk:Aka Manto

Redirecting

I suggest we move this page to Akaname, which is also about a Japanese bathroom licking ghost. Neither article has any citations or references, but this one seems to have been cut and pasted from a website called Scary4Kids, and so this move will at least remove any charges of plagiarism until I can find any references on the Internet that such a myth actually existed in Japan. Cheers! Duende-Poetry (talk) 23:25, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Redirecting it isn't an answer. This article has more information that is being lost during this redirect. It may not be cited but it should be kept until sources are and if none are found, then deleted. Because it is copied, the proper way to fix this is by rewording the article, not redirecting it.—cyberpower (Talk to Me)(Contributions) 23:29, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

I understand there is a lot of text here, but that doesn't actually indicate well-written, well-sourced material. Am I to believe that Wiki would rather have an article that's been plagiarized versus something that is actually factual or well-resourced? Aka Manto and Akaname are almost identical in that they are trying to say, though as they stand both suffer from original research (unless anyone can cite me where this information came from)? Duende-Poetry (talk) 23:37, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

First, thoroughly read my previous answer before commenting. I said to rewrite the article to remove the plagiarism. Find sources to confrim the information, but DON'T redirect. The article with less information will be redirected. This article seems to have more of it. If you believe I am in error you may also consult other users like User talk:WilliamH. He has great experience as editor and he can give you great advice at what to do.—cyberpower (Talk to Me)(Contributions) 23:49, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the quick reply. My goal here as part of Wiki is, simply, to help create the best articles that I can. It is true that I am new and my passion for Japanese folklore does make me, at times, narrow in my vision. If you feel that the information here is useful and you think it is possible for anyone to actually locate the sources mentioned in this article, then I'd hate to get in the way of that person. This particular article means very little to me, since as far as I can tell it was simply lifted from someone's blog -- but I could be wrong. It is much easier to simply walk away from an article hoping that the next person might be more successful. Either way, thanks for the assistance! Duende-Poetry (talk) 00:03, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Then as suggested, you should consider finding possible reliable sources that supply this information and cite it in this article. If no reliable source is found for any of this, maybe a redirect can be established. As for plagiarism, simply rewording the article will solve that.

Also please indent your comments too keep the flow consistent. It can be done by simply using 1 more colon (:) than I used in my previous comment.—cyberpower (Talk to Me)(Contributions) 00:16, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Ah, sorry about the improper use of colons. As I stated earlier, I find nothing in this article worth saving, which was my original attempt to redirect it to a page I found useful. So, the proposed "it falls on your shoulders to fix this" suggestion isn't something I am interested in doing. If you're an Administrator with the ability to revert my changes then there isn't much I can do besides move on and put my energy into articles that aren't, you know, simple plagiarism. Good luck in fixing this, cheers! Duende-Poetry (talk) 00:28, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

I know nothing about this article so, I am unable to do anything to it and I am only an editor with partial administrative functions. If you believe that there is nothing to be salvaged in this article, go ahead and redirect it. Just be aware that you are fully responsible for actions in this article and any misuse or violation may result in you getting blocked. Please however expand the other article. There is insufficient information to allow it to be an article. My recommendation, continue building on that article you wish to work on. If a deletion template is put up, I would recommend copying the article to your user space as a draft and continue editing from there. Have fun.—cyberpower (Talk to Me)(Contributions) 00:36, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry, what part of this was I suppose to respond to? you wrote "have fun" and I went off to a new article. End of conversation. Duende-Poetry (talk) 01:17, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

What are you going to do with this article? You are allowed to redirect it.—cyberpower (Talk to Me)(Contributions) 01:21, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm not doing anything with this article. Cheers. Duende-Poetry (talk) 01:25, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

You are allowed to redirect it. No one is going to stop you unless you violate Wikipedia policy. If you aren't going to edit these pages, I will tag it for deletion. What should I do? Tag it or give it to you?—cyberpower (Talk to Me)(Contributions) 01:27, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

There is also the possibility of redirecting this to Japanese urban legends which has a section on 'Aka Manto'. Incidentally there is a well-referenced article in Japanese Wikipedia about Aka Manto 赤マント However, the main body of that article is about a different legend, a kaijin in a red coat who kidnaps and kills children, with a disambiguation redirect at the top to the toilet legend. Rather than deletion, I would be happy to rewrite this article, summarising information from the Japanese article. However, I'm not quite sure of the rules on this one. Sometimes I see articles with banners that say something along the lines of 'This article could be improved with information from the Japanese Wikipedia article', but sometimes it seems that editors don't accept anything that doesn't have a source in English.--Rsm77 (talk) 00:54, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Foreign sources are accepted as long they can be translated. You are more than welcome to edit this page and improve on it. Just be sure that your edit summary states that your edits are improving the article to prevent deletion.—cyberpower (Talk to Me)(Contributions) 03:18, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Scary4Kids is a reference?

This information came from where exactly? Because it doesn't look like ... you know, actual research. Just saying, before I start deleting ... it gets a bit tiring, people, trying to see what has actual historical Japanese relevance and what got put here by some 13 year old because it once appeared in an InuYasha episode. Duende-Poetry (talk) 17:17, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Although I would say that folklore stories don't have a canon (in that there is no official book of folklore or anything which states what is canonically true and what is false), reliable sourcing is still reliable sourcing, and Scary For Kids is a questionable reference at best. I've removed all references to the website in the article. –Matthew - (talk) 13:55, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

13 years later, I'm not aware of any Japanese sources for this version of 赤マント that incorporates 赤い紙青い紙 2405:6583:F240:6200:E0BC:F92F:1B7A:2FFC (talk) 08:00, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

New Reference for "In Fiction" Section

I'm not familiar with editing Wikipedia pages, so I thought I would post this on the Talk page for someone else to consider adding in.

Aka Manto may also be referenced in the video game "The Legend of Zelda-Majora's Mask". See http://www.screwattack.com/news/hand-toilet-character-study

The creator of the Zelda series says the hand in the toilet is a reference to Japanese scary stories, though he doesn't specifically call this hand the Aka Manto. He also talks about the hand from these scary stories grabbing you from underneath. I have not found any resources saying that the Aka Manto grabs you from underneath.

Also, it may be important to note that the hand is likely attached to a whole person who is trapped in the toilet, so this would only be a comical reference to the scary story. The hand is not the actual Aka Manto.

The hand also appears in the Legend of Zelda-Skyward Sword. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.14.123.108 (talk) 19:37, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Unaware of the previous AfD

So the previous AfD was quashed due to non-English language notability, understandable. But then what do we do with this article? It's not up to standards and I do not know Japanese. Rap Chart Mike (talk) 14:46, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Ghost stories are not urban legends.

I changed 'urban legend' to 'legend' where appropriate based on the fact that ghost stories are not urban legends, but simply legends. As it was, urban legends were being conflated with legends.Arctic Gazelle (talk) 16:48, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Magyar

Magyar 2001:4C4E:2B81:2B00:8CB1:57D3:ACE5:DD30 (talk) 12:31, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

The toilet paper entity does not seem to be Aka Manto

I can't find any Japanese source that combines 赤マント and 赤い紙、青い紙 into a single story or entity. Although it seems to be the case that the toilet paper story is descended from Aka Manto, the toilet paper entity seems to be invariably described and depicted as a disembodied voice.

The artwork in this article is the only evidence I can find of them being combined, but the art is not from a Japanese artist.

I do like the combined depiction, but I can't find any evidence of it existing in Japan itself. 2405:6583:F240:6200:E4C7:186C:5657:89C9 (talk) 03:24, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

@OsFish Regarding my deletion proposal, the issue isn't that the article needs to be split; if we split it, the only parts that will be left for the article titled Aka Manto will be the title itself and the one-paragraph History section. The rest should all be renamed Red Paper, Blue Paper, and all references to any corporeal presence wearing a cape or robe should be removed from it.

I can propose these edits, but it would result in two articles that are little more than stubs. The artwork at the top of the current article, though nice, would have no place in either article.157.107.71.23 (talk) 10:28, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

After some more searching, I have found a single instance of the two legends being merged. However, even in the text explaining the manga, it points out that these are two separate stories that are being combined for the purposes of this manga. Although I am now just speculating, I would not be surprised if this was actually inspired by this very Wikipedia article, because the picture in the introduction is one of the top search results when looking up this legend even in Japanese. 157.107.71.23 (talk) 10:40, 16 October 2024 (UTC)