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Edit request on 13 March 2012
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IMAGE = Akhilesh Yadav.jpg Ddknmiet12 (talk) 11:19, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Not done: That image file does not exist. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 15:30, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Please correct the english sentence. Akhilesh is married to Dimple Yadav, from which they have three children. to Akhilesh is married to Dimple Yadav, with whom he has three children. or Akhilesh is married to Dimple Yadav. They have three children. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.160.140.116 (talk) 00:31, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
Name is Urdu script
The page is protected. can some somebody add his name in Urdu which is spoken by nearly 25% people in Uttar Pradesh. [[Urdu: : اکھیلیش سنگھ یادو]] ur:اکھیلیش سنگھ یادو..... 72.136.120.212 (talk) 20:28, 18 March 2012 (UTC
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- Not done. Please see this. Lynch7 15:33, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Controversy Section
Why the controversy section has been removed? Do only certain people look controversial, while people like him can be done away with? Why no mention of communal riots under Akhilesh, no mention of his malintentional action and attitude towards honest, upbright officers like Durga Shakti? Rampant corruption/sand mining with direct involvement of his ministers and his party collegues. All this very much visible in media. This seriously need to be added, or otherwise there's no credibilty and genuinity of articles related to Indian Politicians in Wikipedia India. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.212.144.141 (talk) 03:19, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
- Whoever added that section needs to read our WP:NPOV section. You can't spew your own opinion about something unless the sources you are providing explicitly back up that opinion. OhNoitsJamie Talk 15:29, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
Well its not criticism, but the factual information based on various news sources. If something like riots, illegal mining happening under a Chief Minister's nose, its not called opinion, but a news based on fact which should very much be part of this article. For more details you can read the sources that were cited by me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.212.144.141 (talk) 02:46, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
- This article concerns Akhilesh Yadav, not the period of government that is headed by him. This is a common misperception on Indian politician articles, as is the desire to see a "Controversies" section that almost always violates our policy concerning living people and usually acts merely to draw moths to its flame. Your first source mentioned riots etc that had taken place within months of Yadav becoming chief minister but nowhere does it make substantive statements that these result from anything that Yadav's government has or has not done, let alone the man himself.
Riots and other forms of vociferous, often violent protest are unfortunately a common event in India and have been for decades: if we noted all such occurrences then Wikipedia would easily double in size but its utility would probably not increase by an iota. The increasingly demagogic tendencies of extreme right-wing organisations, such as the RSS and to a lesser extent their political wing (the BJP), are a notable feature of present-day life in India, as is the endemic corruption and the INC's patrician politics, but little of this sort of thing has a place in most individual biographies unless academic sources refer to it. We are not intended to be a platform for politician soapboxing whether for or against a person or government, nor are we usually prone to reflect the day-to-day, often breathless reporting of newspapers. Encyclopaedias generally do not give much weight to news but instead serve as a repository of sober reflection and for that reason they tend to function better when based as much as possible on the output of academic hindsight. If people want news then there are plenty of outlets on the web where they can obtain it. - Sitush (talk) 05:07, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
Sitush, You probably have a predetermined mindset about linking for demagogue tendencies to right wing groups, while for others, its merely a matter of "acadamic sources". Do you think that events like this will be taken as to be research topic? And while for a leader " Narendra Modi", the word controversy has been included in the introductory section itself, for others, its a matter of convenience. If more people want to make edit in other notable leaders for all that happened under their rule, it's called demagogic tendencies. When removal of and honest office like " Durga Nagpal " takes place is it simply not mentionalble as per you? While you can always check media sources what all that has been said by the CM of UP on the suspension. But instead of improving the same, you are hell bent on removing that content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.212.144.141 (talk) 08:27, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
- See compromise section below. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 14:24, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
Edit required: Durga Nagpal Case and riots under Akhilesh Yadav's regime
There is no mention of the controversy regarding Durga Nagpal case, where Akhilesh Yadav and his government are accused of shielding sand mafia in U.P. and suspending an honest Indian Administrative Service officer, Durga Nagpal. Due to this issue, Akhilesh govt faced lot of protests and critism. His ministers went on to say that "We don't need IAS officers in UP", " IAS officers should not be recruited", "Durga Nagpal is a communal officer" etc. Hence this section should be added to this article. In addition there have been more than 3 dozens of riots under Akhilesh's Govt, which his administration failed to curb and prevent. For this he himself and his govt are being criticised along with for being communal by providing reservation based on religion, withdrawing terror cases against people of a certain religion to which High court has to intervene and for having failed in running the govt properly with mafia, criminals thriving. Since Akhilesh is the head of govt., he is responsible for all this, so it is required in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.212.144.141 (talk) 04:15, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
- I've made a compromise and explained below. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 14:24, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
Compromise over criticism
I've appended the controversies section into his governance. Please see WP:CRIT, I've removed all the really POV statements (spurt in the criminal activities, major embarrasment to Akhilesh Yadav, An honest IAS officer Durga Shakti Nagpal is suspended by Akhilesh Govt on flimsy ground etc) and removed all the excess citations. People think adding more inlines means that the content will be less likely to be removed and they fail to realise that the problem lies within the content itself. Anyway, I'm sure this compromise is a wise one. I still feel that it should trimmed down further looking at its size compared to the whole article as per WP:DUE; readers can obviously view the separate articles on the two incidents if they want. Sincerely, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 14:24, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
I would like to add that a common misconception among most newcomers here is that all Wikipedia articles should come with "Criticism and Controversy" section, using the argument that most articles here have that. In WP:CRIT, it's clearly mentioned that this is discouraged, and the only reason articles finally have that is because either it is not of good quality (The section needs to be merged there too) or the article is so much fought over that the section is added as a quick solution. It is easy to add that it since actually balancing an article (with a wide array of view points) is extremely hard when there are many edit wars, troublesome editors and discussions with no agreeable end, this tasks gets even more cumbersome. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 14:36, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
Mention of his response "But you're safe"
My edit got reverted by some IP without any explanation, since this page likely has a lot of unwanted temporary attention like this because of the news, I'm not going waste my time and do anything for now. But it would be good if anyone is actually willing to discuss.
I highly doubt that this has any form of enduring notability or is relevant to this biography. Per WP:NOTNEWS, stuff like this is always featured in the Indian news sources, and always gets sudden intense coverage which lasts for, no doubt, only a few days. If we were to include all this, by now all our articles on politicians would be just news-like criticism pages rather than encyclopaedic biographies.
However, the recent incidents of violence against women occurring in his state seems to be covered regularly and I feel something related to this can be added instead of just this non-encyclopaedic quote. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 17:32, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
- Done, reworded and expanded it accordingly with this edit. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 17:08, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
- Please understand the term encyclopedia. Everyday especially in India, politician face lot of controversy and criticism, but that doesn't mean one has to add all of them. Hope this helps. Thanks. --25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣ 15:22, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
News
Hi, I can see some of IP users adding daily news happening or happened in Uttar Pradesh over here. But unfortunately wikipedia isn't made for news. As of now I am cleaning the whole article. Thanks. --25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣ 15:20, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
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Early life details and Career timeline format
Details such as "His friends called him "Tipu"", "His passion for hockey and football also grew in the school as he supported Manchester United, Arsenal and Tottenham Hotspur." "He was extremely fond of Trekking, hill-climbing and driving." don't belong to the Encyclopaedia. See WP:NOTNEWS and WP:UNDUE. We don't use wording like this, see WP:PEACOCK. After all, the ONUS to explain its relevance is on the person adding it not removing it.
The Career section cannot be in list format. It's just against the guideline. See WP:PROSE. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 12:04, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
- Moreover, I don't see the need for posting each of every post which he held, the notable ones are fine and relevant. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 19:27, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
Books section
Both the books aren't even authored by him. Not relevant here. If they are third-party and reliable, we can use them as references here. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 19:27, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
As Chief Minister
The amount of details given here in this edit is way too much. See WP:UNDUE. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 19:31, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
Family Feud
Hi editors, According to Indian media everyday new things happening within the family and party. Please do not add a section (a news material) that gives you day to day update about the family or party. Wikipedia has nothing to do with day to day activities happening with article. But yes you are free to add such news things on your personal website or blog. Also, please read Wikipedia guidelines to understand what thing to be added on a Wikipedia article. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.141.10.220 (talk) 11:26, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
- It appears to be a power struggle involving the party that they created etc. That's encyclopaedic, albeit we need to be careful about WP:BLP when it comes to allegations. - Sitush (talk) 11:57, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
- Agree with Sit. I've reinstated keeping it bare minimum, since I cannot vouch for the relevance of it beyond this. I don't oppose more though, lot of political commentators have speculated the same thing but for adding more, additional scrutiny is required. This is good for now. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 13:08, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
- I am restoring the removed section. The section provides an explanation for the change in party dynamics, expressed in this article, and others, thus making it important and encyclopedic. Also, reinstating it partially is making the article look messy and difficult to comprehend. Rollingcontributor (talk) 01:59, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
- Agree with Sit. I've reinstated keeping it bare minimum, since I cannot vouch for the relevance of it beyond this. I don't oppose more though, lot of political commentators have speculated the same thing but for adding more, additional scrutiny is required. This is good for now. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 13:08, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
Edit request
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Hello, I would like to add some sections to the page below "Political career" section, which will help give more information about the subject. The sections are:
- Major projects in business, education, infrastructure, agriculture, medical and health, energy and green initiatives, sports, law and order, public welfare schemes.
- Awards and Recognitions Uttar Pradesh Received Under his Leadership.
- Books on Akhilesh Yadav.
The sections to be added are as follow:
Proposed draft
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== Major Projects == ===Business=== Akhilesh Yadav with his Investment policies and “Ease of doing business” initiative pertaining to industrial development and setting-up of your business, brought big giants from various sectors to invest in the state. Essar, Samsung India Electronics Private Ltd, Noida; Reliance Cement Company Pvt. Ltd, Indo-Gulf Fertilizer, Jagdishpur, Gujarat Co-operative Milk Marketing Federation(GCMMF), HCL Technologies Ltd., and the TATA group are a few names which have found a home in Uttar Pradesh. He also celebrated UP First Pravasi Diwas in which he invited Non-Resident Indians (NRIs) and Persons of Indian Origin (PIOs) from Uttar Pradesh to grow investments and trade flows into the state.[1][2] ===Education===
===Infrastructure=== Akhilesh’s Government has been working relentlessly on improving the infrastructure of the state. Major projects include:
===Agriculture=== Akhilesh’s Government observes FY 2015-2016 and FY 2016-17 as “Farmers Year” and brought many schemes which enhanced the agricultural production of the state and encouraged farmers. Some of the major schemes included:
===Medical and Health=== Akhilesh has always said that improvement of health services in the state is in his top priorities and has taken many steps in this regard:
===Energy and Green Initiatives=== Akhilesh’s Govt has also worked towards generating power in the state. He promises to ensure 16 hours power supply in rural areas, 20 hours in Tehsil HQs, 22 hours in district headquarters and 24 hours in metro cities from October 2016.[37] His major policies include: [38]
===Sports=== Akhilesh lead UP Government has aimed at concerted efforts to make Uttar Pradesh a world-class sporting destination. Some of his major steps taken for the same are:
===Law and Order=== Akhilesh Government has has modernized the police force by enabling it with high-end technology as a means to handle law n order and curb crime in UP and restore trust of the people.
===Public Welfare Schemes=== Akhilesh government has been successful in catering to the financial needs of senior citizens, housing needs of the poor and nutritional requirements of children with its public welfare schemes.
=Awards and Recognitions Uttar Pradesh Received Under his Leadership==
==Books on Akhilesh Yadav==
==References== References
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Existima (talk) 01:58, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
- Hi Existima, and thank you for your suggestions. However, there are several reasons why I am rejecting your draft. First, this draft is quite clearly promotional and does not adhere to Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising, marketing or public relations, but the purpose of your proposed text is clearly to convince readers that Mr. Yadav has done an excellent job as chief minister of Uttar Pradesh. Listing around thirty of his initiatives with no additional context, including whether there was any controversy or opposition to those policies, demonstrates that this draft is far too one-sided to be incorporated into the article. As such, it cannot be added to the article unless it is substantially rewritten.
- Second, the draft does not distinguish between policies undertaken by the UP government and policies that Mr. Yadav has personally played a role in implementing. However, the draft gives credit to Mr. Yadav for all of these policies. You would be better off listing only the most important policies passed under Mr. Yadav's rule and explaining why he was so critical to their passage. Delete the other, less significant policies.
- Third, you attempted to add almost the exact text to this article on 25 January, and your edits were reverted by User:Sitush. As far as I can tell, you have not addressed any of his concerns before making this edit request. For those reasons, I am declining this edit request. Altamel (talk) 05:38, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
- Let me add the following:
- Business: The first few sentences already are promotional content not based on the given references. Yadav "brought big giants from various sectors to invest in the state"? What the sources actually say is that he opens a conference or two. None of the specific companies mentioned in the proposed text are named in sources for the first section.
- Education: One of the two references for the first bullet point does not mention Yadav, the other only mentions him in passing. "encourages the students to continue with higher studies"? "This scheme brought digitization in the state"? Not supported by the references, which rather report that the scheme only fulfilled one of two election manifesto promises and was cancelled after a single year. The reference for the second bullet point again doesn't mention Yadav. The reference for the third bullet point describes Yadav's role as congratulating the team that won the award.
- Infrastructure: "working relentlessly on improving the infrastructure" is promotional hyperbole. The various projects are a mess of the promised, the opened ones that (presumably) others got built, and ones genuinely being "worked on" by Yadav (or his government), and in at least one instance the sources are misrepresented.
- Agriculture: The first item only lists the positive aspects but not the criticisms, such as the opposition's assertions that this is an incomplete fulfilment of the campaign promise or that the move is "bound to further deplete the state's already dwindling coffers" while "farmers in the state's endemically backwards regions like Bundelkhand will gain little from the waiver". Items 2 and 3 are unreferenced, and one of the references for item 4 does not mention Yadav at all. The content of item 5 is not based on the given source.
- At that point I stopped going through the remainder of the content, but I think it's perfectly clear it's a cherry-picked collection of mentions, at times misrepresented, that is meant to make Yadav sound good, not a neutral assessment of his policies and government. Huon (talk) 22:28, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
- Let me add the following:
Caravan magazine
I've removed some information recently added and sourced to an article in Caravan magazine. That publication is now, alas, behind a paywall but some of what we said about his "political persona" sounded very much like a straight copy/paste from the thing, and the claim that his "rise" can be partly attributed to being one of many people involved in a student protest is simply bizarre given his family background. I'm not denying that he was among the many who protested but to give it that degree of significance when he apparently wasn't even an instigator of the protest seems ludicrous to me, especially bearing in mind the incestuous nature of politics in India. - Sitush (talk) 11:20, 27 May 2019 (UTC)