Talk:Al-Mustansir Billah

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this page does not line up with the link on al mus'tasim, caliph of baghdad

This entry apparently draws heavily on at least one written source, but no citations are given. Can anyone find and credit the sources used? --Dgilman 23:17, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

The dates of birth and death are controversial. The real date of birth is on 16th Ramzaan 420 A.H./1076 A.D. The date of death is 18th Zilhajj 487 A.H./28th December 1094 A.D. These dates are taken from a manuscript. --Z bhaisaheb (talk) 09:07, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Which manuscript? Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 19:48, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Given that this is specifically part of a series on Ismailism, the article should mention the succession dispute over the sons of Mustansir billah, which led to some Ismailis becoming followers of his grandson Nizar (the beginning of the Alamut period of Nizari Ismailism, today the largest sect in Ismailism), others following his uncle Musta'li and another section still believing the Imamate ended at that time - this group of believers became the Druze. Thus Mustansir billah's imamate was a pivotal time in Ismaili history, and the article would be improved by focus or at least mention of this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Christian Hyde (talk • contribs) 05:24, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

hijra dates

could someone remove the hijra dates?They're no help to anyone who is only aquainted with the gregorian calendar. 99.249.15.246 (talk) 01:39, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

And how about for Arabic enthusiasts or Arabic historians? Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 16:51, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Different dates of reign?

This Ismali Heritage site gives Billah's date of rule as (1036-95). The revised 10th edition of "History of the Arabs : from the earliest times to the present" from 2002 gives Billah's date of rule as (1035-94) (Hitti, p. 621-622). "A short history of the Fatimid Khalifate" from 1923 gives Billah's date of rule as (1035-95) (O'Leary, p. 193, 210). Right now I trust the Ismaili site date the most as it appears to be an Arabic site (forgive my ignorance) and that both Ismaili and O'Leary gives the same Arabic dates for his date of rule, of which I believe that both O'Leary's and Hitti's calculations are a simple date conversion error, as seen with the miscalculation of Ramathibodi I's reign in the Ayutthaya Kingdom from 1351 to 1350 due to a similar date conversion error (of which I'm familiar with). Anyone an expert that can help fill in the missing pieces? Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 01:55, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Using this Islamic calendar calculation website, through a quick Google search, why does it give me July 8, 1029 instead of July 2, 1029 when I put in 16th Jumada II, 420 AH? I used three other sites, of which one also gives me July 2 while the other two gives me July 7. Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 01:32, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

I believe that presently, the Arabic dates that I've found are consistent enough to be accepted as the real dates. I just need to find out how to convert it. So far, I believe that you can trim down Billah's dates of rule from June/July 1036 to December 1094/January 1095. Can anyone help? Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 19:52, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

I think that the Islmaili site is legitimate enough, searching through book contexts, but I just found out it conflicts with the date provdied by this Turkish site. Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 22:20, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

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How do "al-" suffixes work for Muslim historical figures?

Apparently nowadays Muslim people can decide to keep or remove these suffixes in their surnames for legal documents and other purposes, but I assume this to not be the case for historical figures? What's the proper convention for historical Muslim figures with an "al-" suffix in their surnames? Is it necessary to write it all the time or not? Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 19:33, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Sfn/Harv Error due to missing work in Bibliography

Hello, @Contentofbook. A recent contribution that you made to this article has resulted in a harv-error. Please add the work that is labelled as "Basan 2010" in the proper format in the bibliography/work cited area of the article. Thank you! Thecowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 18:02, 19 March 2024 (UTC)