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Al Gore has been accused of rape multiple times!

I'm looking over this article and it doesn't seem to mention the multiple times he has been accused of rape. Should they be added? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1291661/A-inconvenient-masseuse-How-saint-Al-Gore-sanctimonious-eco-crusader-lost-halo-wife.html http://www.businessinsider.com/two-more-women-accuse-al-gore-of-assault-2010-7 and there's even an audio recording of the interview she gave with police. http://www.kgw.com/story/news/2014/07/20/11738734/ Turtire (talk) 21:58, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

See this archived disussion on that topic.--JayJasper (talk) 22:17, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

The Bill Cosby page includes allegations even though there has never been a conviction. Why is this any different? 209.129.243.121 (talk) 22:22, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

World Resources Institute Update

He is no longer a member of the Board of Directors of World Resources Institute. The article needs to state that he is a former member of the board because he served out his term there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.141.22.50 (talk) 11:00, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Actually Gore is no longer on the WRI board because he was not asked to return. He would still be on the board had he been asked/invited ... and surely he would not turn down the opportunity.Danleywolfe (talk) 20:28, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Global Climate Changes and a Rebuke

Global Climate Change vs Global Warming

This is a hot topic. There’s no denying it. Yet most people are arguing about the wrong thing! Ever since former Vice President Al Gore established himself as the poster child for liberal environmentalists around the world with his book and movie, An Inconvenient Truth, the whole argument has been framed incorrectly.

In a previous article we examined some of Gore’s faulty claims and inaccurate predictions. Subsequently, the debate and discussions continue, picking up on our shift in terminology from “Global Warming” to “Global Climate Change,” but not losing the emphasis on shining the light into the dim areas of climate science. It’s easy to get sidetracked by Al Gore’s alarmist rhetoric so let me refer you to the previous article where that’s addressed and keep the focus here where it should be…examining the cause of climate change.

The Question of Causation

Many who participate in this debate jump so quickly into defending their positions that they fail to realize the underlying assumptions driving the very thing for which they’re fighting. For supporters of increased regulation, they assume that humans are the primary drivers of climate change and, therefore, by regulating human action, climate change can be stopped or reversed. Here’s the problem: Global Climate Change has happened in the past…before humans were driving cars, generating power from coal-fueled power plants, or paving roads.

Richard Lindzen points out in his piece Resisting Climate Hysteria, “Climate is always changing. We have had ice ages and warmer periods when alligators were found in Spitzbergen. Ice ages have occurred in a hundred thousand year cycle for the last 700 thousand years, and there have been previous periods that appear to have been warmer than the present despite CO2 levels being lower than they are now.” It’s the “susceptibility of the public to the substitution of repetition for truth, and the exploitation of these weaknesses by politicians, environmental promoters, and, 20 years of media drum beating” that has led the scientifically illiterate masses to their incorrect assumptions.

Before we pass laws to reign in carbon emissions and regulate free trade completely to death, we ought to understand whether or not those actions will truly have the expected outcomes. The reality is that we find ourselves situated in the middle of a larger climate trend and it’s not the first time the Earth has experienced it (even though it is for each of us). Capping CO2 emissions, regulating the trade of carbon credits, and governing our economy to a standstill won’t do a thing to stop global climate conditions that have been occurring long before humans got involved. It’s a special kind of arrogance that we possess which assumes we are always the cause and, therefore, we are also the solution.

Shame on you Nobel Prize Committee

Now let’s circle back for a moment to that patron saint of man-made environmental doom, Al Gore. In 2007 Gore and the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) received the Nobel Peace Prize “for their efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change.” The Nobel Prize and especially the Peace Prize is a highly respected honor and places it’s recipients among some of the most philanthropic, selfless, and impactful people in the world. “It’s simply not right,” says Florida business owner John Arwood, “Al Gore received the Nobel Peace Prize for spreading the word about the effects of man-made global warming and climate change. And now, after so many inaccurate predictions and misleading assumptions have come to light, I think the Nobel Committee should take it back. He was predicting a total melt of the ice caps by last year but it simply has not happened. I’m sure there were many other more humanitarians in 2007 that are actually deserving of this award.”

Arwood makes a good point. According to the Science and Public Policy Institute’s report 35 Inconvenient Truths and many other well documented sources, the validity of Gore’s and the IPCC’s information is no longer to be trusted. It is turning out to be fiction and should be reconsidered by the Nobel Prize Committee. Hopefully, a better understanding of the facts of global climate change will lead to a better informed public going forward. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.8.47.181 (talk) 14:14, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

What did Al Gore study in college?

I see that he is from a tobacco-farming family and became a politician, thereby justly earning a reputation as a champion of objective truth and freedom from arbitrary or superstition-induced coercion. I'm certain he told his wife about being joined at the groin to massage girls and actually earned the Nobel prize because of his documented knowledge about a subject of scientific concern. Surely it is not asking a lot to know where he went to school, what he studied and when?

Back when nuclear energy was going to end all life on the planet, according to people unable to differentiate a constant, professional engineers and scientists published articles such as "The Disposal of Radioactive Wastes from Fission Reactors", only to be immediately dismissed as "in the pay of the nuclear industry" by the very people unable to define energy on a High School physics quiz.

So now we have on the one hand the 31,000+ signers of the Petition Project urging that no coercive actions be taken because of allegations of human-caused global warming and on the other a couple thousand bureaucrats and government nonscientists claiming the sky is falling--this time from the same sort of climate changes that happened for millions of years before Homo sapiens mastered fire. My Astronomy professor circulated the petition, along with hundred of other volunteers, and I could not sign it because I only have a B.A.

I am anxious to learn where Gore studied physics and calculus, chemistry and biology, and to read some of his peer-reviewed papers before taking the word of himself, politicians and bureaucrats over the overt written statement signed by 30,000 holders of science degrees. I have read Aaron Swartz account of how the Wikipedia is written, and the treatment here of the Petition Project with its 30,000 publicly listed signatories is not what I expect from honest people, but more like what I expect from they who take from others by force and enshrine that taking as a sort of revealed faith. www.hankphillips.com translator (talk) 13:13, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Kyoto Protocol wording

In the Vice Presidency section, we have the following:

“During the late 1990s, Gore strongly pushed for the passage of the Kyoto Protocol,”

“Strongly pushed”? This is rewriting history, because the Clinton-Gore administration never even submitted it to the Senate for ratification. How exactly did Gore “strongly push” for passage of the treaty? As references, we are given only a speech that Gore made at Kyoto, and a rather self-serving vice presidential web page, neither of which support the text.

Let’s see what Vice President Gore himself said at the time:

"As we have said from the very beginning, we will not submit this for ratification until there's meaningful participation by key developing nations,"

- Al Gore, 12 Dec. 1997, upon returning from Kyoto (John M. Broder, “The climate accord,” New York Times, 12 Dec. 1997)

Rather than “strongly push” for ratification, Gore recognized that Senate ratification in the 1990s was a lost cause. He certainly advocated for the treaty, but as vice president he appears to have never strongly pushed for its passage. Unless we can get a better source, this wording should go. Plazak (talk) 17:44, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

The Gore Effect

"The Gore Effect, an informal and satirical term alleging a causal relationship between unseasonable cold weather phenomena and global warming activism is named after Gore. CNN meteorologist Rob Marciano describes use of the effect as a mere running gag among weather forecasters.[225]"

Many folk who use this phrase use it only for occasions when he former Vice President is actually at a major CAGW conference - and there's four feet of snow - in August, in Death Valley [yeah - the last two phrases are /sarc]. Sorry. But some see the coincidence - or, perhaps, the Climate Gods' intent . . . . . 2113Z 09 April 2015 - 81.159.208.92 (talk) 21:10, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Military Service

I find this an interesting statement in this section: Gore decided, "that he would have to go as an enlisted man because, he said, 'In Tennessee, that's what most people have to do.'"

In that 175 of the 1295 Tennesseans killed in Vietnam were officers, it seems Tennessee contributed its fair share of officers to the cause. If Gore had gone to OCS and become an officer, he would have served a full one year tour in Vietnam rather than the four (4) months he actually served. Also, because junior officers had a 60 percent greater chance of becoming a casualty than an enlisted man, he would have been in much greater danger. Hence, his reason for not becoming an officer rings a little hollow. The-Expose-inator (talk) 19:46, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Unless you are proposing an improvement to this or some other Wikipedia article (and if so, please explain), this discussion does not belong here. Please see WP:NOTFORUM. Dwpaul ^Talk 19:59, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 May 2015

Under Categories, please add Portuguese Americans, see under Wikipedia's List of Portuguese Americans

198.0.228.78 (talk) 20:08, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

•  Not done Wikipedia cannot be used as a source for itself. This change requires an independent, published, reliable source. If you can specify such a source, please reopen the request and specify it. Dwpaul ^Talk 20:11, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Gore's Gun Problem

The article mentions one Gore position opposing gun control, but not the tie-breaking vote he cast in favor of more gun control, in the wake of Columbine, as Vice President and therefore President of the Senate. As a result, the NRA supported George W. Bush for President, and many gun-owning Democrats voted for Bush. http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/time/2000/02/07/gun.html http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/government-elections-politics/gunned-down/transcript-73/50.0.36.90 (talk) 04:05, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Criticism of Bush

I'm all for us Democrats using Wikipedia as a bully pulpit but a whole section about his criticism on the next President sets a bad precedence for inclusion into all Wikipedia entries. Dick Cheney has a more moderate titled Views on President Obama. I'm re-thinking my beloved democrats abuses on Wikipedia. Do we really care what the vanquished thought in the annals of time? --Ombase (talk) 15:18, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Update Main Image

Forgive me if this is the standard practice for a politician, but the first picture of Gore in the article was taken during his vice-presidency and is more than 20 years old. Maybe a more recent photo would me better. 2601:646:C402:A9C0:91A5:CDE5:BB91:DEB9 (talk) 03:05, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Gore's relationship with the Oil Industry

In 1997, Al Gore championed the privatization of California's National Oil Reserve. Specifically, the Elk Hills Naval Petroleum Reserve, which contained three endangered species, and generations of Native American Culture. The subsequent drilling by Occidental resulted in serious environmental damage, destruction to the sacred Native American burial ground, and a windfall for his family trust's Occidental stocks. Occidental's very own wiki mentions it [1] and PoliticalCompass does too in its "ichonochasm" section [2]

The above should be mentioned in an article of this length and breadth. 186.120.31.103 (talk) 04:23, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

-- Nothing to be added yet? 186.120.31.103 (talk) 00:48, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

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Second Chakra

Where is the talk of his incident in 2010 with releasing his second chakra? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.195.40.165 (talk) 15:40, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

1992 Presidential election

The text says that Gore "successfully" debated Vice President Quayle and Admiral Stockdale. Isn't this a subjective interpretation? What does "successful" mean? There are many who believe that Quayle won the debate due to his aggressive and combative approach while Gore sounded robot-like and seemed to be reciting a memorized script. Just because Gore won the election does not make his debate performance "successful" - there are many who claim that Quayle lost the 1988 VP debate (another subjective interpretation) yet he won the election. I think it is enough to say that Gore debated Quayle and Stockdale and respectively suggest that the word "successfully" be removed in order to come into alignment with NPOV. 108.38.35.162 (talk) 18:37, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Agree. "successfully" removed. Plazak (talk) 22:14, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 September 2016

I was wondering if somebody could add a caption (|caption = Gore in 1994) to Gore's infobox photo so that it says "Gore in 1994" underneath Gore's official Vice Presidential portrait. Since a April 15, 2016 edit (sourced below) removed it.

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 Done -- Dane2007 ^talk 02:53, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Supreme Court

" A controversial election dispute over a vote recount in Florida was settled by the U.S. Supreme Court, which ruled 5–4 in favor of Bush." This is a bit dishonest. Their were two rulings by the supreme court in this case. The first was 7-2 in Bush's favor. The second 5-4 also in Bush's favor. The first ruling involved the question of whether the recount violated equal protection. That is whether the same standard was used at each table to decide how to count a given vote. The second vote had to do with whether there was time for a constitutional remedy. Mentioning the second vote alone suggests that this was somehow partisan. Further, you also have to factor in the rulings of the lower courts. Each of Gore's challenges to the eletion were thrown out by separate loewer courts. Thus in total we have 5 court rulings against Gore, 3 of them by Democrat appointees.

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Divorce, wealth, and archives

Three things:

• What is Gore's marital status? This only mentions "separation," as does a 2014 article. A blurb about, "As of [DATE], the Gores are still separated, but not divorced," would be nice if anyone can find a source.
• Likewise, why isn't the end of Current TV and its sale to Al Jazeera America for $500 million (according to the NY Times) mentioned? We only get a side note that it's "now defunct." For that matter, why aren't other financial windfalls mentioned here (Apple, green energy investment)? The man is worth hundreds of millions of dollars, but reading the article, you'd think that he wasn't particular wealthy. See, for example, http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-05-06/gore-is-romney-rich-with-200-million-after-bush-defeat . Wealth is relevant and these are reliable sources.
• Why is the last archive page six years before the second-to-last rather than after? Shouldn't these be better organized?

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Newer picture

Any chance to get a newer, more recent picture, for the top right of the page ?

Thank you ! 69.50.70.9 (talk) 04:27, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Right. It is strange to have a photograph from 20 years ago as the lead picture of a living person who is still pretty much a public figure. Recently Ajw522 inserted a picture from 2009 and Spartan7W reverted to the 1994 official VP portrait. Is it really policy to keep the official portrait of elected persons even 20 years after the deed? Admittedly the selected 2009 picture was not particularly flattering, but surely we can find a decent and recent photograph? I think the official portrait is a better fit for the Vice-presidency section of the biography. Al Gore today is mostly known as a climate activist and his portrait should reflect his current activity and likeness. — JFG ^talk 22:21, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Why is Al Gore notable? His father was a U.S. Senator, he became a U.S. Senator, was elected Vice President and ran for president. Using his official Vice Presidential portrait is prudent because it depicts him as he appeared in the very high officer he held. Wikipedia isn't a TMZ profile, we aren't here to keep things up to date, especially as it relates to public figures. You can put new images in sections are articles related to his post-official activities, but his official portrait is higher quality than anything we'll find, and it depicts him as Vice President, the last office he held, and the source of his notability.   Spartan7W §   00:32, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

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And again, thank you in advance!  Paine Ellsworth  ^put'r there  18:06, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

 Not done However, @Paine Ellsworth: that page is no longer protected and you may edit as needed. — xaosflux ^Talk 02:08, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

a proposed edit regarding enviromentalism

in August, 2017, it was reported that over the past year, Gore used enough electric energy to power the typical American household for over 21 years, as per a report issued by the National Center for Public Policy Research. Reportedly, Gore consumed 230,889 kilowatt hours (kWh) at his Nashville residence alone. Additionally, Gore owns two other residences – a penthouse in San Francisco and a farmhouse in Carthage, Tennessee – making his carbon footprint even larger than what was reported. Gore has claimed on the “TODAY Show” that his home uses 100 percent renewable energy, but that is actually an outright lie. Gore’s Nashville home actually classifies as an ‘energy hog’ under standards developed by Energy Vanguard

• seeking consensus / collaboration, without a total dismissal of content Let us eat lettuce (talk) 05:52, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

References

The Daily Caller is definitely not a reliable source. In this context FoxNews isn't a reliable source either. You need much stronger souring to include material in a WP:BLP.Volunteer Marek (talk) 06:00, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

okay, right, lets let this story develop in the news media [if it does] Let us eat lettuce (talk) 06:04, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Cleanup in EL

The following set was there remarked out, I move them here (they are there just unnecessary clutter).

• Biography at NNDB
• Congressional profile at GovTrack
• Financial information (federal office) at OpenSecrets.org
• Issue positions and quotes at On the Issues
• Works by or about Al Gore in libraries (WorldCat catalog)
• Appearances on C-SPAN programs
• Appearances on Charlie Rose
• Appearances at the Internet Movie Database
• Collected news and commentary at The Guardian
• Collected news and commentary at The New York Times

--Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 10:50, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Allegations of responsibility for climate change denial

Some people have alleged that Gore is responsible for the widespread climate change denial amongst conservative politicians. They point to the fact that he was already an established politician, and that they do so ideologically simply to disagree with him. When I Google search, I get mostly left-wing think-tanks and other biased stuff that's probably not reliable. Anybody else know anything about this?JUDAS MAIDEN (talk) 18:42, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 November 2017

45th Vice President of the United States - Al Gore is 45th vice president of the USA but it was listed as 47th. 183.82.23.185 (talk) 12:56, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Done –72 _(talk) 14:20, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Occidental Petroleum

Is Wikipedia funded by George Soros? Where is the reference to Al Gore's interest in Occidental Petroleum? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.216.121.198 (talk) 12:16, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Portrait

Wouldn't it be more appropriate for Gore's main picture to be from 2017-18 instead of 1994? And move that '94 photo elsewhere on the page? AMWS (talk) 16:42, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

photograph

Can't you get a more recent photo? The guy is now 71 years old. dunnhaupt (talk) 20:41, 20 February 2019 (UTC)--

I think it's actually appropriate to have an older photo. We wouldn't want every deceased historical figure on Wikipedia to have a picture of them as a senior, so why should it be any different for BLPs? What makes sense to me is to have their portrait be of them during the time they were most well known or at the height of their career, which for Gore is clearly the 1990s. - Sdkb (talk) 04:42, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

I agree with an update on the photo. Mr. Gore is still active in public. There are many royalty-free photos that can serve. I am afraid of changing it because I see there is an editor using "we" as if...

Semi-protected edit request on 5 August 2019

Please change Alliance for Climate Protection to The Climate Reality Project 209.235.190.218 (talk) 17:14, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

 Partly done: Changed it in the lead where it mentioned "current chair", but not in history section where it talked about Alliance for Climate Protection's founding. --Trialpears (talk) 19:36, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

On early life

Al gore ancestors moving to Virginia in 17th century seems a bit strange, are you sure it's not the 18th? Nightblade2001 (talk) 05:46, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

@Nightblade2001: I checked the reference. 17th is correct.

Billmckern (talk) 06:42, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Political Positions

Put somewhere;

Al Gore is Pro-Choice (https://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Al_Gore_Abortion.htm for reference) TheMoreYouKnow222 (talk) 21:15, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Not done: Not a defining characteristic of this politician's politics (the only mention of abortion as of him voting against it while he was in congress). Also no clue where I would put it ("somewhere" is too vague) RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 23:36, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Nothing about the PMRC in this article? Al Gore was on the Senate committee at the infamous hearing, and his wife was leading the charge to censor records. Doesn't that factor into the article's assertion that he was a "moderate"? AllGloryToTheHypnotoad (talk) 18:01, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

"ThreeLawsOfAlGore" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect ThreeLawsOfAlGore. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 March 30#ThreeLawsOfAlGore until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. wbm1058 (talk) 01:01, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 April 2021

boobs lol Ianbruce55 (talk) 16:14, 29 April 2021 (UTC) n

This edit request appears to constitute vandalism and has been marked as "answered". If you think we've made a mistake, reactivate this request and reply to this comment with a more specific description of your desired changes. TGHL ↗ 16:17, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 May 2021

'the pair were re-elected' should be changed to 'the pair was re-elected' as the former is gramatically incorrect Xp3r123 (talk) 15:41, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Not done: Popular usage says otherwise. "The pair [of something]" is plural. User:GKFX^talk 18:55, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Vice presidency

Toward the end of this section, mention is made of the Clipper chip; however no claim is made that this device had anything to do with Al Gore. If there is a connection, please update the text; otherwise I will delete that statement. The Clipper chip has a very poor reputation, and associating it with Al Gore without substantiating that association is arguably potentially libelous. MrDemeanour (talk) 16:54, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Re Clipper Chip, this topic is reasonably well documented in a subsection of Vice Presidency of Al Gore and on Al Gore and information technology#Gore and the Information Superhighway. I find Gore’s role in Clipper of only marginal interest but given its prominence in public discussion at the time and coverage on his VP and IT page, it would probably be appropriate for a passing reference right after the mention of the first official White House website (with just a wikilink to the other subsection). Across the span of the last 40 years, there have been countless forays by national governments and legislators to devise a means to provide for criminal investigation and national security while still offering adequate individual and commercial security. (This issue isn’t going away any time soon, or maybe ever.) Just such an initiative (a key escrow scheme) was brought to the newly elected Clinton administration by the NSA and it is certainly no criticism of Clinton or Gore that they were convinced to support it. A cursory search of the national news and White House press releases etc., is sufficient to surface documentation that Al Gore was made the Administration’s point man on advocating Clipper, but that he and the administration quickly backed off in the face of political and technical opposition (e.g., Gore Shifts Stance on Chip Code NYT, 21 July 1994) I am old enough to have argued with an IBM Fellow back in the late 70s over the integrity of the Data Encryption Standard; I can attest that few elected officials even today have vaguest working grasp of something like a modern Public Key Infrastructure, and it would have been wildly unreasonable to expect Gore or Clinton back in the 1990s to have anticipated the problems with Clipper. Zatsugaku (talk) 04:07, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Early life section in wrong place

There is too much biography above the “Early life” section. This should be moved below it. Lots of biography above “Early Life” is out of line with common Wikipedia practices.

It is also confusing.

At the top of the article there is supposed to be a brief summary only.

Chesapeake77 (talk) 01:56, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 March 2022

Under the section "First presidential run (1988)", Senator is misspelled as "Senantor" DomPi1213 (talk) 13:20, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

 Done Cannolis (talk) 13:47, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 June 2022

69.255.225.138 (talk) 03:49, 22 June 2022 (UTC) Can you add a section in this article that Al Gore guest starred in some episodes of Futurama? The episodes being "Anthology of Interest I", "Crimes of the Hot", "Bender's Big Score" and "The Futurama Holiday Spectacular". The article did mention his film work like An Inconvenient Truth.

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Please provide secondary sources to demonstrate that this is noteworthy. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 09:16, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much. He did played himself in four Futurama episodes. Here is the source:

69.255.225.138 (talk) 17:20, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

We can and should add this content. There are sources.[3][4] My question is, where? "Personal life"? It's own section? – Muboshgu (talk) 17:44, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

You can add information about his first guest star appearance in "Anthology of Interest I" in the Vice Presidency section, since the episode aired in May 21, 2000, when he was still the Vice President at the time. In the audio commentary of that episode, Matt Groening and David X. Cohen mentioned that all of Gore's dialogue in the third segment of "Anthology of Interest I" were recorded at his house. Also mention that he guest starred in the series a couple times because Futurama was one of his favorite shows. Then, add a section to the Post-vice presidency (2001–present) part of the page and title it "Appearances in Futurama" to mention that Gore played himself in three episodes throughout the series run. "Crimes of the Hot" (season 4, episode 8, 2002), "Bender's Big Score" (Futurama movie #1, 2007) and "The Futurama Holiday Spectacular" (season 6, episode 13, 2010). Also include that a clip of "Crimes of the Hot" was used on "An Inconvenient Truth" to humorously explain how global warming works. Here's the source: 69.255.225.138 (talk) 19:43, 22 June 2022 (UTC) One more thing to add: Al Gore's daughter Kristin Gore was a writer on Futurama. She wrote the episode "Leela's Homeworld" in season 4.

Are you currently adding the above information to add? It's been two days but I know it takes time. 69.255.225.138 (talk) 01:52, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Are you currently processing to add the information to this page? Not trying to be inpatient. I just want to know. 69.255.225.138 (talk) 19:40, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

References

Bias re: inventing the internet

The article suggests that "inventing the internet" is a mischaracterisation of his claim and says it doesn't reflect the same meaning as "creating the internet", without explaining how that is. In common parlance, "creating" and "inventing" are basically equivalent, so this claim needs justification. 89.19.88.49 (talk) 16:56, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Al Gore never claimed to have invented the Internet, he stated, "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives..." and indeed in 1986-1988 Gore advocated for the creation of a high-capacity national data network that he called the "information superhighway," likely a reference to his father's support for the interstate highway system. Bob Kahn and Vint Cerf later stated, "Bob and I believe that the vice president deserves significant credit for his early recognition of the importance of what has become the Internet... Al Gore was the first political leader to recognize the importance of the Internet and to promote and support its development."[5] Snopes: Despite decades of media mirth-making about the supposed statement, former vice president Al Gore never claimed he "invented the Internet." Andre🚐 17:14, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Lawyer

You list one of Al Gore’s occupation as a Lawyer. You are wrong as Al Gore attended law school but NEVER finished…he dropped out. So he never received a law degree and never took the bar exam so he is NOT A LAWYER and should NOT have Lawyer listed as an Occupation! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:6010:7500:78:6500:9D4:B794:5C41 (talk) 00:41, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

I removed it. You don't need to use ALL CAPS or claim we're using "woke facts" when it was likely an innocent mistake. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:46, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Replace "Jack Hemp" with "Jack Kemp"

Clearly vandalism. Page is protected, so I can't change it. CbonnerNH (talk) 21:38, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

 Done – Muboshgu (talk) 21:45, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

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Relationship to Mississippi Candidate

This content seems out of place in an article on the former Vice President. Any relationship is disputed and, even if the possible connection if of interest, it belongs in an article on the Mississippi politician. There are many people with the name Gore and the article should not attempt to imply or deny a connection with each. Nynative (talk) 15:11, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

I agree that, without some better sourcing, another candidate named "Al Gore" from 11 years ago is failing the WP:10YT. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:27, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Allegations of aggrandizement...too much?

Hello,

I believe there is undue weight in this article given to "allegations of aggrandizement". An ENTIRE HEADING? Really? It particularly seems excessive because there are only three citations in this heading. I think it should be trimmed down to just a single paragraph and moved elsewhere in the article.

Support trimming Allegations of aggrandizement section

1. pbp 20:17, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Agreed if you will not complain about an additional paragraph under Criticism, thus: Appearing at the Sundance Film Festival in 2006 during the premiere of "An Inconvenient Truth," Gore said unless drastic measures to reduce greenhouse gases are taken within the next 10 years, the world will reach a point of no return, calling the situation "a true planetary emergency." It is not known if he has publicly updated that prediction nor detailed what drastic measures were taken to delay this so-called point of no return. 76.92.179.85 (talk) 06:00, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/2006-al-gore-does-sundance/ 76.92.179.85 (talk) 06:02, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Oppose trimming Allegations of aggrandizement section

Discussion

"AI Gore" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect AI Gore has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 13 § AI Gore until a consensus is reached. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 08:19, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi protected edit request (3 February 2024

Please delete the paragraph about Gore's prior opposition to homosexual marriage. The paragraph can be located in the #House and Senate section. The vast majority of politicians regardless of political affiliation, and the public, at that time, did not believe in homosexuality. It's neither a relevant or defining part of his political career, and keeping it places WP:UNDUE concerns in Gore's biography, particularly as this article is currently a WP:GA. Gore has also never spoken in favour about the Defense of Marriage Act, which was supported by President Clinton, LA Times article about Gore's appeal to gay/lesbian voters (1997), and has expressed support for gay marriage in 2008. NYT opinion article where Gore expresses support for gay marriage 92.40.212.154 (talk) 12:14, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

 Note: given the GA status of the article, I already asked the IP to seek consensus for the removal, but since they reverted the reply and I don't feel like edit warring with them, I'll leave it to the next editor to decide. M.Bitton (talk) 14:27, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

As mentioned in my reply before, I restored the request back to unanswered due to an unsatisfactory response. That's completely ridiculous, and not a substantive response to anything I said. I am seeking consensus VIA the template. In what way is that problematic? (...) your answer is completely insufficient in every regard. 92.40.212.153 (talk) 14:33, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. Edit request templates are only for asking someone with the technical ability to do so to implement the request, not simply to draw attention to a discussion. Tollens (talk) 17:21, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

I never said I was going to draw attention to a discussion. 92.40.212.159 (talk) 17:54, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

What, then, is "seeking consensus VIA the template" intended to mean? Tollens (talk) 17:55, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

I am requesting that an editor with the ability to do so delete the paragraph about Gore's prior opposition to gay marriage. I have provided the reasonable clarification, which you may read at your leisure. 92.40.212.159 (talk) 17:57, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes, but they will only do so if consensus has been demonstrated, which it has not. Tollens (talk) 17:58, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Ergo, we return back to the seeking consensus VIA the template quotation. Going round in circles isn't a beneficial use of either our time, or the encyclopædia's. 92.40.212.159 (talk) 18:00, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

None of these answers have provided sufficient clarification as to why the request is being declined. Please do not mark as answered without express permission from me. 92.40.212.159 (talk) 17:53, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

It should remain marked as answered until a consensus has been reached. Shadow311 (talk) 19:56, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

It's not answered because the discussion is still ongoing, and I don't believe anyone here has provided sufficient clarification as to why this paragraph needs to be kept. As I said, the reasoning as to why I want the paragraph about Gore's prior opposition to homosexual marriage deleted are there for you to read at your leisure. 92.40.212.156 (talk) 20:36, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Our point is that right now, the request has nothing to act on because consensus does not exist for the change. When you use the template, it gets added to a queue of requests, all of which, in theory, could be implemented right away. This one cannot, and so it being in the list of open requests doesn't do anything except waste people's time. The template is not for situations where one person thinks something should be changed, it is for situations where there is consensus for a change but nobody has the technical ability to make it, or for uncontroversial changes. Because this article is a Good Article, it has been reviewed by numerous people for quality, and so changes are likely to be inherently controversial because, clearly, none of those people thought that change needed to be made. Tollens (talk) 20:50, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

None of us have expressed any opinion whatsoever on the actual change itself – we are simply trying to tell you that you're using the wrong process, and that the process you're trying to use right now won't result in a change being made. Tollens (talk) 20:52, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

That's not true. The citation (number 44 for reference) was added in 2013, 5 years AFTER Gore's biography became a good article. I already provided two citations which explain that Gore had already reversed on that comment. 92.40.212.153 (talk) 20:54, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

GAs don't only get reviewed right before they get promoted. 986 people have this page on their watchlist, meaning that they are notified of changes to it, and they will likely review those changes. Tollens (talk) 20:57, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Just because people are watching the paragraph doesn't mean that they might not agree with the changes. The content of this article has altered significantly since Gore's biography became a good article. People not editing a flaw in the article isn't implicit consensus with what's in the article. 92.40.212.153 (talk) 21:01, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

I really don't know how to explain this any better than I already have, and quite frankly am not interested in continuing to try. I can nearly guarantee that this change will not be implemented without discussion, and the template will not facilitate that. If your preferred option is to waste other's time by leaving it in place, so be it – I'm not going to waste more of mine. Tollens (talk) 21:10, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

How about this? Since this clearly isn't going anywhere, I'll open a RfC about it, instead. If consensus is reached against the deletion of the paragraph, I pledge to abide by it. 92.40.212.153 (talk) 21:14, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

That would be great, though probably overkill. All that was needed was to do the exact same thing you did originally, but without the template. People will see it without an actual RFC – you don't need that level of consensus. Again, 986 people will be notified that there is a discussion here, and the only thing we were looking for was a couple people supporting the change. Literally all we are trying to say is that you are using the template wrong. Tollens (talk) 21:20, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

I just wanted to ensure that people actually saw it. Looking through some of the talk archives, it seems like some of the queries raised weren't answered, and I didn't want to take that risk of potentially not having any response to the request. 92.40.212.153 (talk) 21:29, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

I completely understand that, but there are loads of ways to appropriately draw attention to a discussion that has had minimal input, as described at WP:APPNOTE. Edit requests just aren't one of those ways, that's all. Tollens (talk) 21:46, 3 February 2024 (UTC)