Talk:Alain Haché

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Could anyone upload this image under the fair use license or something? Headbomb {ταλκ – WP Physics: PotW} 04:00, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Notability

In reading the article, it seems the most important thing is a research paper. Instead of describing the paper, you could try to explain its importance in photonics. Why does he hold a chair? If his chair is the reason of his notability, then that should be expanded further.

When I questioned the notability of this article a while back, I was met with complete disregard (with a brief dismissal that a chair in photonics meant notability). At the time I wasn't really sure what exactly was wrong with it, but now there are many issues I know that could be addressed.

Is this article about Alain Haché, or his paper? The article looks more like an abstract than a bio. Wikipedia is not a scientific journal.

Having your name as an author of a paper hardly qualifies the Wikipedia Notability Guidelines. "The barometer of notability is whether people independent of the topic itself (or of its manufacturer, creator, author, inventor, or vendor) have actually considered the topic notable enough that they have written and published non-trivial works of their own that focus upon it – without incentive, promotion, or other influence by people connected to the topic matter."

Currently, only reference #3 qualifies as an independent source, but it is hardly sufficient in itself to support notability; the PhysicsWorld article is trivial and is not peer-reviewed.

For the same reason, I would argue that the list of notable students for this subject is not sufficiently notable to be considered so.

I will once again question the notability of this article (in good faith), and I hope someone more familiar with the topic will address the issue (in good faith) instead of immediately reverting my edit.

As a side note, thanks for clarifying usage of the word "popular"!

— Guillaume Pelletier ~ 16:53, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

A chair is not relevant to notability if its importance cannot be sufficiently substantiated by external sources. I think we could use a third-party opinion. Is there a way to get an unbiased one? — Guillaume Pelletier ~ 18:55, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

National Chairs are relevant for notability. If you don't agree, send this article to WP:AFD and see everyone say "Keep, obviously notable, holds a Canadian Research Chair + wrote Physics of Hockey." Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 19:05, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

It wasn't my primary intention to nominate this article for deletion. My point is simply that if every Chair would have its own article, the quality of Wikipedia would not be better for it. A large number of research chairs are notable because their importance is highlighted by a great number of external sources. However, other chairs are invariably less notable, for they lack formal appreciation from external sources. I'm not sure how else I can attract attention to this debate, so I think I will submit the article for deletion, in the hope that someone else might be able to substantiate the notability of the article. My main rationale for submission for deletion is that this article has remained an aimless stub for a long time, with no one able to substantiate the importance of the research chair with external sources. — Guillaume Pelletier ~ 19:19, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

• You could, alternately, wait for more than 10 minutes after the user replied before suggesting an AfD. I have found a reliable, third-party source which affirms notability, and am emailing it to Headbomb now. Ironholds (talk) 19:25, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

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