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editNote: the page history for this page (prior to November 14, 2006) can be found by looking at the page history for Talk:Minnesota 5th congressional district election, 2006.
Fine on Ellison
editadded comments that Fine made on Ellison from the Star Tribune Rej4sl 16:26, 18 September 2006 (UTC) added more citations for Fine's attack on Ellison - due to reversion due to cited article not containing full speech. 65.27.77.60 19:29, 18 September 2006 (UTC) Rej4sl 19:30, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
A couple of things
editIf you can, please include the refs in a nice format: <ref>[http://www.example.org Example]</ref>. If everyone does this as we go, then we don't end up with a big pile that need to be cleaned up. If you want to get fancy, use one of the citation templates, like Template:Cite web.
Second, please remember that this is a general encyclopedia, and not a daily newspaper. (We do have a sister project, Wikinews, for original reporting.) Our system is not well suited to handle hourly news updates. Also remember that this is Fine's biography, not a vehicle for campaign coverage. Certainly we want to include information and links for our readers, but this should be a reference for someone who wants a brief bio, not an on-going political debate/presentation. So far so good, just something to keep in mind as the page takes shape. Thanks, Tom Harrison Talk 21:34, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Tom I mentioned this same issue on the Keith Ellison website - that the candidates biographies should be just that biographies and not use campaign issues but it seems it is right to use campaign issues on one site - Keith Ellison but not on this site Alan Fine - lets be NPOV and use the same rules on both sites.
Second Thanks for the tips on how to clean up the references, as a new contributor to Wikipedia it is nice to have such tips given.
NPOV
editI don't think "Fine made a statement about" is any more NPOV than "attacked" I have changed it to verbal attack - if anyone can think of a more neutral statement go ahead - statement means a selection of facts - which it was not - it was an attack on someones character with unsubstantiated accusations - please don't replace something you think is NPOV with another NPOV selection of words.
Controversies
editHave moved the statement on Ellison to a new section, along with a new article published the Star Tribune about his arrest for domestic violence in 1995. I feel this article is properly sourced and is relevant to the article as Fine has consistently says that character matters in his campaign speeches and I have tried to be as NPOV as possible. Rej4sl 20:03, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Controversies II
editHave changed the controversies because it does not follow wikipedia's rules on public figures. Quote wikipedia rules:
"...Unsourced or poorly sourced controversial (negative, positive, or just highly questionable) material about living persons should be removed immediately from Wikipedia articles.
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