Talk:Alan Moore

Latest comment: 2 years ago by Chaheel Riens in topic Is Hellblazer a notable work?
Former good articleAlan Moore was one of the Language and literature good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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"Since his teenage years Moore has had long hair, and since early adulthood has also had a beard."

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Is this serious? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:3D08:1480:1701:E94D:4194:82E4:E2D1 (talk) 08:17, 30 November 2018 (UTC)Reply

Yes. Chaheel Riens (talk) 08:33, 30 November 2018 (UTC)Reply

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Moore's regrets for encouraging people to vote

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In a later communique, Moore expressed regret for his decision to encourage voting and apologized, claiming that "my call made dozens of anarchists cast their vote for the Labor Party, and precisely at all those polling stations, they have had the worst defeat since the Falkland War".

I think this should be removed. The article cited is pretty clearly either a parody or a forgery, for reasons including the following: it's in Spanish, Moore writes in English, and no original English version can be found online (although you can find English-language versions with mangled Google Translate grammar). The clearest sign is the last sentence, which cites a number of characters: "Sister Night, Looking Glass, Red Scare" that were created for the Watchmen TV show and are not in the original comic. Anyone who has followed Moore's career knows that he refuses to watch adaptations of his work. He certainly wouldn't be dropping an approving reference to one into an article.

Is Hellblazer a notable work?

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Hellblazer has been removed from the "Notable works" section with the rationale that Moore hasn't written it, therefore it isn't notable. I dispute this, as Moore was a creator, so that does make it a notable work, even if he hasn't written for it.

I invite discussion, but also remind Nicknack009 of WP:BRD - bold, revert, discuss. Once a change is reverted, it should be discussed - not simply re-inserted.

So - Please put forward any arguments as to why it isn't notable? Thanks. Chaheel Riens (talk) 07:30, 11 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

He created John Constantine as a supporting character in Swamp Thing, but he never wrote the book Hellblazer. Therefore Hellblazer is not a notable work by Alan Moore, because it is't a work by Alan Moore. This isn't complicated. A character is not the same thing as a series. --Nicknack009 (talk) 16:35, 11 January 2022 (UTC)Reply
Also, I did not reinsert a disputed change, I removed it. The bold insertion was made by User:Honky Tonkin. I reverted it. You reinserted it. By your own words, you're the one in breach of WP:BRD. --Nicknack009 (talk) 17:42, 11 January 2022 (UTC)Reply
OK, it's been 24 hours since my last comment, and no response. I'm going to remove it again. --Nicknack009 (talk) 19:50, 12 January 2022 (UTC)Reply
You know, if you'd pointed that out right at the beginning, this could have all been avoided. Why didn't you? Seems weird. Incidentally, waiting a mere 24 hours and considering discussion to be over after that is pretty poor behaviour. Based on that, I agree, and have reverted - despite your above comment which I highly disagree with. In short - I agree with your assesment, but not how you went about it.
To put forward the argument that Hellblazer is notable is because without Contantine, Hellblazer would not exist. That makes the two linked - Hellblazer = John Constantine, and John Constantine = Hellblazer. Chaheel Riens (talk) 20:53, 12 January 2022 (UTC)Reply
Thank you for coming back. But your argument is like claiming that The Force Awakens is a notable work by George Lucas because he created the setting and some of the characters. Or, more relevantly, that Before Watchmen is a notable work by Moore because he created the characters. They're linked, sure, but it's not his work and the article shouldn't claim it is. --Nicknack009 (talk) 21:04, 12 January 2022 (UTC)Reply
Hm, valid points. Fair enough - I agree, and won't contest the inclusion any more. Chaheel Riens (talk) 11:08, 13 January 2022 (UTC)Reply