Talk:Alan Scott

Article name

Why don't we just title this "Green Lantern (Golden Age)"? It would be easier to search for in the database, especially for those who might not know who Alan Scott is.

I think "Alan Scott" is fine. This is why we have a section called "Biographies of the Major Green Lanterns" in "Green Lantern" article. Lesfer ☎ 13:15, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Still, it's rather confusing. The title works under the assumption that the character is most recognized by his secret identity (like, say, Guy Gardner). Solely titling it "Alan Scott" makes it hard to find. In comparison, all the articles related to Starman have modifiers at the end to indicate the articles are still talking about characters who bore the mantle of Starman. Something along the lines of "Green Lantern (Alan Scott)" or "Green Lantern (Golden Age)" would be more effective. WesleyDodds 22:57, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Wesley, per your above request, I've created a redirect under the title you requested that will point here. NetK 04:04, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Count me as one who thinks the article should be retitled. In 70 years, the character has been identified on comic book covers and splash pages as "Green Lantern" (and, for a very short period, as "Sentinel"). Though he may be called "Alan Scott" within stories, and in fan chat, I've never seen an "Alan Scott" logo. Even in"Who's Who in the DC Universe," the "DC Encyclopedia," and Jeff Rovin's "Encyclopedia of Superheroes," he's listed as "Green Lantern." WaxTadpole (talk) 22:38, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Wives

can we get a section here regarding Alan Scott's two wives?ThuranX 02:56, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

We already have Alan Scott > Progeny. —Lesfer ^(talk/@) 03:15, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Zero Hour

Go back and re-read Zero Hour - Alan had already been rejuvenated to a youthful appearance before the JSA slaughter, and it was the Starheart that protected him from Extant's attempt to age him to his true age. I would like to correct that part of the article if no one objects. 12.162.189.80 19:31, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

If it's a correction, by all means. CovenantD 19:37, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Railroad Engineer?

Why do so MANY people keep making that mistake? Alan Scott was a CIVIL Engineer (he designed the bridge that was blown up), not a railroad engineer. He was on the train as a courtesy for a test run - he was not part of the train's normal crew.

Just pick up Golden Age Green Lantern Archives #1 and read the first story (Alan's origin). You'll see.

Maven

Lead image

The Alex Ross painting, while certainly prettier, lacks the information of the All-American cover, which shows Green Lantern's full head-to-toe costume on the first issue he appeared in. The Ross painting lacks any identifying context to tell the reader its source and significance for the character. This not only makes for a poor choice for illustrating an informative article, but undercuts the fair use rationale—the Ross painting is more decorative than informative. Postdlf 03:34, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

This is not about which image is prettier. Is about having a current image of the character in the SHB. I'm sorry, but all this thing about "painting lacks any identifying context to tell the reader its source and significance for the character" is nothing but blah-blah-blah and POV. Ross' image portraits the current Alan Scott, period. This is fact and is also what is supposed to be in the SHB. Note that I haven't removed the All-American Comics cover. —Lesfer ^(talk/@) 05:20, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

1. It doesn't represent "the current Alan Scott, period". Amongst other things, he's lost an eye OYL.
2. Alex Ross/other painted art isn't representative in 90%+ of comics-related articles. - SoM 07:15, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

That's a good point, SoM. Does anyone have a good 52/OYL image of GL with his one eye? Preferably glowing, cause that's damn cool and I'm apparently 6 this morning. -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 13:06, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

1. You're right about the lost eye. But I wonder what would be the "other things". Please, let me know. Oh, and he didn't lost his eye OYL, but during 52.
2. Right again about the 90%. But this particular article is among the remaining 10% as Ross' painting is the cover to JSA #77. —Lesfer ^(talk/@) 14:48, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

1. 1. 1. Quit the points of pedantry, huh? He turned up in OYL sans eye before the relevant issue of 52 came out
      2. Ummm... why does that make it in the "other 10%"? It's one painted image, and even if we throw in the whole of Ross' painted Alan Scotts (including Kingdom Come, although the GL there was never IDed as Alan Scott even in Ross' endnotes. Only the Rossless sequel gave the KC GL an ID) - hell, throw in all the painted Alan Scotts by anyone published in/on a DC Comic - you're still at a tiny % of the pen/ink images of Alan Scott. - SoM 09:27, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Because this particular painting is not simply fan-art, but the cover to JSA #77. —Lesfer ^(talk/@) 13:52, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Ross's image seems more representive of the character than some very old comiccover, imo. But it would be nice if someone could find a OYL pic of him. --DrBat 02:13, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Quit the points of pedantry, huh? He turned up in OYL sans eye before the relevant issue of 52 came out

True, but 52 chronologically takes place before OYL, and showed how Scott lost his eye. --DrBat 02:13, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

(Chronologically, he first appears without an eye in the "One Year Later" titles. Those who have been talking about it in this way have been using an out-of-universe perspective.) --Chris Griswold 00:00, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Why exactly is it best to have the "most current depiction" as the lead image? We're dealing with a character that was first published 65 years ago—how is the "most current" necessarily the most important and the most informative the character? Even within the fictional universe, he certainly wasn't lacking an eye most of his superhero "career." Not to mention the issue of how a painting is the most informative about how a comic book character is portrayed... And Lesfer, please explain why you considered it appropriate to mark a reversion of the image being discussed on this talk page as a minor change and not to provide any edit summary?[1] Postdlf 21:16, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Mystic Eye?

His missing eye is currently replaced by a green glowing orb that, due to its mystical origins and connection to Jade, allows him to track astral and mystical energy forms such as ghosts.

Where exactly is this from? It wasn't in the last issue of JSA or JSA Classified. --Basique 23:53, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, in JSA 83 he was seen with two eyes, but being One Year Later, we can suppose he was using a trick, but check issues 85 and 86.

• In JSA 85, after Jakeem Thunder calls the ghost of Jade for help. Jade goes away, visiting her wounded father
• In JSA 86, Alan wakes with his "green orb eye" explaining that "Jennie left me a connection to her ghost. Enough to see traces of the spirit world".

At the end of the story arc, JSA is temporarily disbanded. JSA Classified and Checkmate starts from the destruction of JSA Headquarters to the present, so, the green orb he shows in Checkmate is the one he acquired in JSA 85. DrTofu83 13:09, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Powers and Abilities

Could a section be added detailing all the characters's powers and abilities?

Cool I get you Tofu thanks! It shouldn't be a problem adding that section, but let Lesfer and CovenantD know I think they are the ones actually maintaining the page, I was just passing through.

Trivia-Kingdom Come

In the collection of Alex Ross' art, called "Mythology" says that the "Green Knight" or just plainly, that continuum's Green Lantern is Hal Jordan, not Alan Scott as it says in this article. Also it would make sense that it's Hal Jordan, because during the time difference between the regular continuum, the character's age, and Alan Scott's Daughter is in her mid to late thirties by the time of the series, so Alan would at least be 70 during Kingdom Come, also, Alex had it set up so each character has been replaced by their children, with exception to the JLA Regulars, Aquaman remains in his kingdom while Aqualad has taken over as Aquaman, Avia has replaced Big Barda and Scott Free, There is Captain Marvel Jr. (Now King Marvel), Mary Marvel (Now Lady Marvel), and they're Child, The Whiz, representing the Marvel family while Billy is working for Luthor, and since Starfire is dead and Red Robin (Dick Grayson) hasn't returned to crime fighting yet, his daughter Nightfire (a character Alex Ross has created when he was much younger and has wanted to introduce into the DC mainstream) has taken over; so it could be entirely probable that while Alan Scott is old and Retired, his Daughter Jade and his son Obsidion has taken over and carry on his legacy.

And look at the other non-superpowered characters, they're silver age and they look like they're about to retire.

- No way is that Hal Jordan. It is absolutely clear both from context and from his appearance that the Lantern is Alan. 74.114.147.235 00:42, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

-- Dude, it is so Hal, he would be in his mid fifties to mid sixties, his hair would have turned grey, and why else would his own daughter Jade be surprised at what he looks like without his mask, and as I said, Alan is probably in his mid to late seventies!

---If it is Hal, why are his energy constructs destroyed by wood? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.59.57.56 (talk) 15:42, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

--Mark Waid wanted it be Kyle Rayner; Alex Ross wanted it to be Hal Jordan. Since they couldn't agree, they just chose to make it Alan Scott. This has been mention before and is reinforced by Jade moving to protect him as well as Oliver Queen's wooden arrows being able to hurt him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.112.85.53 (talk) 18:31, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

---Just read The Kingdom. It's written by Mark Waid, who wrote Kingdom Come. It's the crossover of Kingdom Come. It introduces Gog, who is now being used in the mainstream continuity. And in this comic, which is the sequel to Kingdom Come, which is written by its writer as its sequel, Green Lantern explicitly, by name, identifies himself as Alan Scott, and it is shown that his satellite is weak against wood. Green Lantern is Alan Scott in the Kingdom Come storyline. Why else would he be embracing Jade at the end of the storyline? She's his DAUGHTER. 74.13.58.80 (talk) 01:43, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Merge Alternate versions of Green Lantern

• merge/nom - The section that was split from original article by an ambitious editor to form a new "Alternate versions" article for all the characters. This section was already limited, and does not need to be split off to form a stub article. It's a detriment to the original article, and at this point the alternate versions article does not need to exist. 66.109.248.114 21:25, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

• support merge - these should have never been split, especially w/o discussion. Characters like Gardner and Stewart were never THE Green Lantern, only A Green Lantern -- 69.182.73.240 05:40, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

• support merge -- User:Redhead911 unilaterally created article without discussion with other editors, circumventing the consensus process. --Tenebrae 19:38, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

• Support merge - As noted above, the characters are not alternate versions Green Lantern, they are other characters who have used the name green lantern. And based on the page's current criteria, it would eventually duplicate Green Lantern. - jc37 21:23, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

• Support - As per above. Also, as with most of the resent bold splits (lots of alts and other media), this took what could be seen as a relevant section and made it into what comes close to a "Trivia only" article. - J Greb 22:05, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

• Merge - there is no reason for the alternate versions entry as they all (rightly) have their own articles and the main Green Lantern article already holds them all together. (Emperor 22:24, 26 October 2007 (UTC))

Discussion closed with consensus to merge. 66.109.248.114 23:29, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

The Starheart

There is an error in the article regarding the Starheart: this was not a Post-Crisis retcon, it was established in Green Lantern Vol. 2 #110 (November 1978) several years before Crisis on Infinite Earths. I'm thinking on writing an article covering the history of magic in the DC Universe that would cover the Starheart in more detail. -Wilfredo Martinez (talk) 16:30, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

B-Class Assesment required

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Green Lantern (Alan Scott)

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was page not moved. —harej (talk) 07:41, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

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Alan Scott → Green Lantern (Alan Scott) — This is a clear case of naming conventions, most common names. Although the character was briefly known as Sentinel, the most prevalent name, across multiple mediums is Green Lantern. The character has a 70 year history, and the a brief name change would be similar to calling Superman's page "Clark Kent" due to his months as Gangbuster. The most common name for the character across the span of the course of the character is Green Lantern. -Sharp962 (talk) 03:04, 20 June 2009 (UTC).

The Superman/Clark Kent example isn't a particularly good one since there are other considerations there.

And while there are better ones - Spider-Man and Captain America jump to mind - there is still a problem. DC's actions with this character wasn't "a few months" it was a few years. And that was a result of the "only one GL" edict that gave us Rayner. This makes for a fair chunk of material that doesn't fit under the topic Green Lantern (Alan Scott). So the current naming seems to fit the premise of WP:NCC.

- J Greb (talk) 02:04, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose the common name for this character is "Alan Scott", unless you happened to live during the Golden Age of Comics. That's because of the profusion of Green Lanterns in recent decades, and the fact that either Hal Jordan or the most recent one is "Green Lantern". 70.29.212.226 (talk) 05:22, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

• I did a little homework and Scott was Sentinel from GLQ#6 (1993) until Green Lantern V3 #110 (1999). I was mistaken, as JGreb kindly pointed out, that it was years (5). I still don't think that 5 years in a 70 years history is as valid, just as calling Azrael - Jean Paul (comics) due 2yrs as Batman wouldn't make sense. -Sharp962 (talk) 04:25, 26 June 2009 (UTC).

• Oppose Per above 5 years compared to 70 years? Actually no valid comparison. He IS Green Lantern even when he was not labeled as such, he was predominantly known as the original GL. Netkinetic ^(t/c/@) 17:43, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

oath

does this version of green lantern have an oath —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.108.115 (talk) 03:59, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Smallville

Evidently the CW has a new teaser for the "B" section of season 9 of Smallville up, as per Kryptonsite. (And is the actual trailer up anywhere but YouTube?)

Something to keep in mind is that the only solid information out three about JSAers other than Hawkman, Doctor Fate, and Stargirl is from a a TV Guide interview (here):

"[William Keck (TV Guide)]: Are there references to Society members who are not seen in the episodes?

"[Michael Shanks]: Oh yes. You’ll see a ton of references. This is a fan’s dream. Let’s say there are lots of memories and paraphernalia that people will be familiar with."

Frankly, it is possible, if not probable, that the ring and the gas-mask are pans of museum-like displays.

Is it possible that the image in the teaser are characters from later episodes in the season? Maybe. But until there is something more that a guess, the information can be left out of this article.

- J Greb (talk) 21:27, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Clarification needed: *Who* became Streak's side-kick?

Quoting from the main page: --- During the 1940s, Green Lantern seemed to alternate between serious adventure - particularly when his arch-nemesis, Solomon Grundy, appeared - and light comedy, usually involving his sidekick Doiby Dickles. Toward the end of his Golden Age adventures, he was reduced to the role of a sidekick to Streak the Wonder Dog, a heroic canine cut from the mold of Rin-Tin-Tin and Lassie. ---

• Who* was reduced to the role of Streak's side-kick? Green Lantern (Alan Scott) or Doiby Dickles? If the Green Lantern was a dog's side-kick, boy, would that surprise the hell out of me! But that's really what the grammar seems to indicate. Still, maybe this statement really means to refer to the Dickles character, last-mentioned, thought not the previous sentence's subject.

(If anyone wants to reformat this to meet usual Wiki practices, please do. I'm just leaving this around to see if anyone else can answer the question and fix the original text for clarity, for the benefit of future readers. I'm not likely to follow up or see the results myself.)

65.30.215.14 (talk) 22:08, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Details: http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/02/16/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-38/

I'm not sure "sidekick" is the appropriate descriptor, but yes, the declining popularity of superhero comics in the 1940s caused Alan Scott to run second banana to a dog in his own comic book. Ford MF (talk) 06:13, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Amalgam Comics

So we have a recurring issue on this page regarding the Amalgam Comics edit that an unregistered user made. I had never noticed this particular one until the edit, but I believe its quite true. Besides the appearance, clothing, and name in the actual comic being a dead giveaway of who its supposed to be, both the commonly cited Marvel Handbook page for the All-Star Winners Squadron identifies him as an amalgam of the two, as does the somewhat frequently cited "Who's Who of the Amalgam Universe". Both links here:

http://www.prismnet.com/~woodward/chroma/amalgam.html#HumanLantern

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/allstrwn.htm

The second source in particular is frequently cited on a plethora of Marvel pages and both are on the Amalgam Comics page. So I believe this edit should stay, otherwise all details on Marvel pages using the Marvel Handbook need to be arduously removed and the amalgam comics character list page be flagged for unsubstantiated content.ScarletSpiderfan (talk) 20:12, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

FWIW

Who's Who: Handbook of the Amalgam Universe appears to be a fan page. So that isn't useful as any sort of a reference.

And www.marvunapp.com isn't much better.

That they are used elsewhere does not make them reliable. IMDb and the DC and Marvel wikias are used a lot of places on Wikipedia as references. That doesn't make it "OK" it means a lot of articles need cleaning up. With these two sites it's more an issue of asking if they fall under Wikipedia's definition of reliable sources. I don't think they do.

And to be honest, the IP was not adding a secondary source, but relying on the primary and "As a comics fan you have to know that..." That's OR unless the primary source spells it out either in text or showing the two characters being merged in to the Amalgam.

- J Greb (talk) 20:45, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Addendum:

Yes, marunapp.com is listed at WP:CMC/REF#Databases, indices, and other such websites. But so are wikia and unabashed fansites.

- J Greb (talk) 21:01, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

I understand the frequency of a source does not make it reliable I was more relying on the fact that it was a precedent that no one had previously taken issue with it. As for marunapp I completely understand the hesitancy as it does appear to be fan maintained, but its presence at WP:CMC/REF#Databases, indices, and other such websites should make it fine to use at this point. The list actually says it is backed as a reliable source by Marvel themselves. Granted it makes it thorny given Amalgam is in part owned by DC, but at the same time for Marvel themselves to recognize the amalgamations, it would mean that they and DC had to agree on the combinations during the creations of their series. ScarletSpiderfan (talk) 23:44, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

"...but its presence..." See my addendum above: That section has a number of sites listed that general Wikipedia sourcing guidelines nix. The Project may get Project level guides that are tougher than the general ones, but not the other way round. IIRC, last time marunapp, and that section, were discussed at the project level, marunapp was pointed to as a gray area where it is useful to support the existence of a character and possibly creators and first appearances. Everything else it holds in plot or fan interpretation/theory.

- J Greb (talk) 23:58, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

super power ballet?

is ballet one of his superpowers? I read he's coming out of the closet and maybe it's a joke someone make, still it should be revised. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.104.69.43 (talk) 22:59, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Removed from New Earth

There was a line about Alan Scott being removed from the main New Earth continuity, but do we have any confirmation that this was the case? Several characters have multiverse counterparts, so I wouldn't find inspiring for the same to apply to Scott. While it may be the case that NE Alan Scott has been removed in favor of a strictly Earth 2 character, I believe that we should remain neutral on this issue until concrete evidence in produced. If there is some, then I'd be perfectly happy to add the line back. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 22:41, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

RE: BILL FINGER CONTRIBUTIONS

I don't have my copy handy but in STERANKO'S HISTORY OF THE COMICS VOL. ONE didn't Bill Finger mention that HE was the one who created the Alan Scott identity? Nodell created the concept but like with Batman, it was Finger who wrote the back story. He mentioned how he originally wanted tocall the character "ALAN LADD" as a play on the name ALADDIN. This was BEFORE the actor of the same name made his film debut and Bill commented that by the name change they missed out on publicity opportunities. I'm also curious if Finger received not only a byline but co-ownership as well...MARK VENTURE (talk) 14:28, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Yalan Gur

The whole part about Yalan Gur is wrong here. Neither was he a resident of China, nor did he preceded Alan Scott as Earth first Green Lantern by several centuries. Could anyone fix it, to be correct, like the linked article is? --MasterPhW (talk) 14:00, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

I deleted two paragraphs of jumbled mess surrounding Yalan Gur and the starheart. Shoeless Ho (talk) 21:50, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Alter ego: real name or GL?

There's a discussion about whether the alter ego should be *different* from the article name. Please chime in over at Template_talk:Infobox_comics_character#Alter_ego.3F. Thanks, Aristophanes68 (talk) 01:16, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

New Page

Shouldn't earth 2 Alan Scott have a page of his own, since Alan Scott prime and the gay Alan Scott are completely different people with just the same name. After all there is no proof that a straight Alan Scott did not live on earth 2, just because there is no green lantern corps. there, nor is there any proof that a gay individual namesake of the green lantern honor guard and father of 2 does not exist in any other DC universe. The earth 2 fellow who shares the same name as the old(in comparison were Alan Scott prime alive in earth 2) Alan Scott is not the same person as him, even his powers are different(not a green lantern, just a namesake there too)

they are completely different people who just have the same names, they don't even exist in the same timeframe, it's like saying Henry the 8th is the same as Henry the 1st! (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.75.34.123 (talk) 00:54, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

No. Differences in setting aside, it's the same character, owned by the same company and filling the same role. One page per character, I'm afraid.Justin.Parallax (talk) 09:15, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

For the same reason we don't create new articles for every revised take on Superman or Batman, we need not do this with Alan Scott.Kurzon (talk) 15:18, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Actually Superman and Batman Earth-two incarnations do have their own pages: Superman (Earth-Two) Batman (Earth-Two). If enough information can be compiled for a complete Alan Scott Earth-Two article, then the article can be created. JosephSpiral (talk) 00:28, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

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