Talk:Albéric Magnard

Financial Situation

The first two sentences of the biographical sketch are entirely misleading: Magnard lived his whole life long from the wealth of his father, it was only his father's social connections which he didn't want to profit from. Without his father's money he couldn't have afforded not to be performed for years, he couldn't have afforded his manor in Baron and the publication of his compositions on his own costs. This aspect of the article needs reworking. - Also in French reviews you don't read much about Magnard's affinities with Bruckner, Wagner and Mahler, but instead of his inspiration by Rameau whom he favorized. But I am no musician to be able to validate such arguments. - My source is, by the side, André Segond (Ed.): Bérénice d'Albéric Magnard, Cahiers de l'opera de Marseille, Arles 2001, with an extensive biography by Simon-Pierre Perret. -- 84.162.119.131 05:24, 12 February 2007 (UTC) -The point re. the Bruckner connection and cyclicism is entirely correct: Bruckner was almost entirely unknown in France until well into the 1890s. And even then hardly anybody (least of all the likes of d'Indy) liked him. Mahler too was unknown until around the turn of the century. Cyclic form in Magnard certainly comes from the Franck/d'Indy axis, and they pick it up from Schumann, perhaps Liszt, and Beethoven. Wagner's motivic technique was an important factor here too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.108.167.221 (talk) 15:13, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

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"French Bruckner"

by whom? Searches on "French Bruckner" as often turn up César Franck or French Bruckner conductors. So - citation needed, or, especially given the succeeding "their styles were quite different"- not very good Wikipedia-writing at all - I'd ditch that entirely and suggest finding something better. His style has in fact very little to do with Bruckner, whose orchestral style was very different; and Magnard's tendency to use movement headers like "Sonate", "Danses", etc. has nothing to do with the Austrian composer at all. Schissel | Sound the Note! 00:27, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Exactly. And, AFAIK, hardly anybody in France paid attention to Bruckner until after WW II. I can't find anything to tell me that Bruckner meant anything at all to Magnard.

I will remove the reference and see if anyone protests. Pascalulu88 (talk) 21:22, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

"Foreshadows Mahler"

It is claimed that the four symphonies foreshadow Mahler. This may be a reasonable claim for the first three, which were written before Mahler's music was well-known. But certainly it cannot apply to the 4th if the dating to 1913 is accurate, since this is after Mahler's death. JBritnell (talk) 23:45, 25 February 2020 (UTC)