Talk:Albanian principalities

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If League of Lezhe was confederation, then principalities that constituted it were still independent and not ceased to exist in 1444. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 12:36, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Who said that they ceased to exist? --Sulmues ^(talk) 15:21, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Albania in Middle Ages

Unresolved

"The term Albanian Principalities refers to a number of principalities created in the Middle Ages in Albania."

"Most of these principalities were united in 1444 under the Albanian state, called League of Lezha."

Albania did not exist in middle ages. It was founded almost 500 years after this principalities. I propose significant change of the above mentioned text of the article. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 13:16, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

And I reject that significant change. Please read Albanian Principalities well. Albania existed believe it or not. --Sulmues ^(talk) 15:20, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

It is not a matter of belief, but sources. Schmitt, Oliver Jens (2001), Das venezianische Albanien (1392-1479), München: R. Oldenbourg Verlag GmbH München, p. 47, ISBN 3-486-56569--9, Albanien war im Mittelalter kein staat. (Albania was not a state in the Middle Ages.) {{citation}}: Cite has empty unknown parameters: |laydate=, |separator=, |doi-inactive-date=, |chapterurl=, |laysummary=, |month=, and |lastauthoramp= (help)--Antidiskriminator (talk) 20:11, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Also "There was no independent Albanian culture. It is therefore recommended to introduce the term "region of Albania" instead of Albania, so no associations can come up with a political entity or a particular culture, but to point out that "Albania" in the Middle Ages is a geographic concept.Schmitt, Oliver Jens (2001), Das venezianische Albanien (1392-1479), München: R. Oldenbourg Verlag GmbH München, p. 47, ISBN 3-486-56569--9, Eine eigenständige albanische Kultur gab es nicht. Es empfiehlt sich deshalb, Anstelle von Albanien den Terminus "albanischer Raum" einzuführen, der keine Assoziationen mit einem politischen Gebilde oder einer besonderen Kultur aufkommen lässt, sondern darauf hinweist, das "Albanien" im Mittelalter ein geographicer Begriff ist. {{citation}}: Cite has empty unknown parameters: |laydate=, |separator=, |doi-inactive-date=, |chapterurl=, |laysummary=, |month=, and |lastauthoramp= (help); no-break space character in |quote= at position 19 (help)--Antidiskriminator (talk) 20:55, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Support merge into Albania in the Middle Ages as per Antid.--Zoupan (talk) 17:38, 9 February 2012 (UTC) Blocked sock:Ajdebre.

I'd oppose this... it's pretty useful to have a page that gathers all the various local fiefdoms that the Albania was broken into at the time (though this page is missing a few, like the Zaharia family's estate...). Dealing with each of them separately on such a broad page like Albania in the Middle Ages would really be rather bothersome.--Yalens (talk) 01:35, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:54, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

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Albanian Principalities → Albanian principalities – This seems to be more a case of a conglomeration of principalities rather than an entity of itself. When a single entity was formed, it was not under this name. As such, I see no grammatical justification for the capitalisation of the second word. I would have simply been bold over this move were it not for imminent Main Page coverage, and the danger of redlinks. Kevin McE (talk) 21:53, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

• Support. This is not even a case of conglomerate. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 22:19, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
• Support. While a capitalised P would be correct if the term 'Albanian Principalities' was a proper name, an examination of sources on Google Search, Google Scholar and Google Books reveals almost no sources that use the term as such. This seems to be a clear example of 'Albanian principalities', not the 'Albanian Principalities'. TechnoSymbiosis (talk) 03:04, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

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Unsourced flag

With this edit (diff) one editor edit warred to insert the flag which is not sourced by reliable source. That is confirmed by admin Cplakidas with this edit (diff). No reliable sources - no addition to wikipedia. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 20:05, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

The flag is plausible in so far as the double-headed eagle is known to have been used by Skanderbeg, but it warrants a better source for this specific arrangement. The same goes for the coat of arms which was (and now is again) used instead; the eagle with the six-pointed star are well attested, but I'd like to know where the arrangement with the crossed spears etc came from. I like nice flags and illustrations as much as the next guy, but this is a field where so much misinformation is rife, that we should strive (and as WP is an encyclopedia, are obligated to strive) for reliable and verifiable sourcing. Constantine ✍ 23:38, 18 October 2014 (UTC)