Talk:Albert Gould/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 21:05, 1 June 2011 (UTC) GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   If you could please see if there are any more sources to take some of the weight off the two main sources. Both are large works that cover individuals in summary, and this means that they can neglect details which are important to the narrative (whereas they tend to be good on dates). It's always hard to know what part of someone's life story an article is missing until you find it. I'd welcome your comments as to whether this is possible. (Call this issue #1.)

I'll make a trip to my university library and see what I can find here. A quick catalogue search for this and other major libraries tells me that there aren't any dedicated biographies out there but I'll see if I can find him in other sources (perhaps the Presidential Rulings would be useful). Frickeg (talk) 23:10, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

I've just returned from an immensely frustrating visit where I trawled through virtually every general Australian political history of the period and found either no reference at all to Gould, or a bland one-liner that "Sir Albert Gould, a New South Wales Free Trader, succeeded Sir Richard Baker ..." occasionally accompanied by a mysterious but un-expanded implication that his presidency was associated with the decreasing power of the Senate in relation to the House of Reps. I haven't been able to locate the Presidential Rulings as yet, but those and online newspaper databases are the next port of call. Frickeg (talk) 08:40, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

1. B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

2. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   I'm wondering whether there is more to be said about his time as President of the Senate. Is there not? There don't appear to be a lot of sources on Gould (as above). If your struggling, I suggest looking up important events during this period (I'm no Australian historian, but there must be something) &dnash; for example, what events caused his "Anglophile" views to come to the fore. Whilst I imagine other areas could be slightly expanded, Gould's primary notability is as President of the Senate, so it is quite important to get as much detail there as possible. (Call this issue #2.)

See above mostly, but I suspect a lot of this has to do with the largely procedural nature of the President's role in the Australian Senate as opposed to many other equivalent positions elsewhere. However, the Presidential Rulings could give more specifics here; most of what is available, though, deals with minutiae of day-to-day running of the Senate, since that's the President's primary role. But there must be some important rulings and decisions and maybe even controversies, so I'll see what I can dig up. Frickeg (talk) 23:10, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

1. B. Focused:

2. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

3. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

4. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

   Although not required, most infoboxes give the ability to caption images. In this case, the year of taking might be useful to the reader.

Done. Frickeg (talk) 23:10, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

1. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   Two issues, both close to what you'd expect from a GA just slight problems. Nothing that can't be fixed.

Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 21:05, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

I'll pass this. If you couldn't find anything, they can't be such major things that would cause the article to fail GA. I admire your effort, the two source thing is still an issue, it's just not serious enough. I'm sure you'd like to get the article higher than GA anyway (people always do!). Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 16:06, 14 June 2011 (UTC)