Talk:Albert Pike

Posthumous?

"Several volumes of his works were self-published posthumously by his daughter." Huh? If he was already dead when his works were published, then by definition they were not self-published.

I suspect this simply means his daughter self-published them rather than submiting them to an established publishing house.

Post War Career

I realize that this is the controversial part of Pike's life, but the article needs a section with basic biographical facts on his life after the war, what he did and where he lived. --AusJeb January 22, 2008

Sanitised article (racism)

It appears this biography no longer contains a single mention of Pike's racist views, nor of the controversy surrounding his alleged role in the Ku Klux Klan. This is a topic covered on pages 439 to 442 of Brown's biography, cited multiple times in this article, which quotes Pike himself as follows:

"We mean that the white race, and that race alone, shall govern this country. It is the only one that is fit to govern, and it is the only one that shall."

Brown also quotes an article Pike wrote for the Memphis Daily Appeal:

"The disfranchised people of the South, robbed of all the guarantees of the Constitution—aye, hell-kite! all, 'at one fell swoop,'—can find no protection for property, liberty or life, except in secret association. Not in such association to commit follies and outrages; but for mutual, peaceful, lawful, self-defence. If it were in our power, if it could be effected, we would unite every white man in the South, who is opposed to negro suffrage, into one great Order of Southern Brotherhood, with an organization complete, active, vigorous, in which a few should execute the concentrated will of all, and whose very existence should be concealed from all but its members. ..."

Brown concludes that Pike "definitely saw possibilities for ex-Confederates in an 'efficient' Klan".

Could this omission be remedied? Thanks. --Andreas JN466 11:27, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

For the Memphis Daily Appeal would need a more complete reference to use it. RJFJR (talk) 03:28, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

@RJFJR: It's quoted on page 439–440 of Brown. The complete article is available here (Google Books link). Citation template: <ref name="Dickerson2003">{{cite book|author=Donna Lee Dickerson|title=The Reconstruction Era: Primary Documents on Events from 1865 to 1877|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=gXOan-fUeCMC&pg=PA263|year=2003|publisher=Greenwood Publishing Group|isbn=978-0-313-32094-1|pages=263–264}}</ref> --Andreas JN466 19:26, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Removed quote

I removed this quote because it was solely referenced to Canadian freemasons. I think a section on Pike's later views might be interesting, but from scholars, not a random Freemason website that could well be quoting wildly out of context. See this diff for the material if anyone wants to take a go at salvaging it. SnowFire (talk) 07:38, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your hard work on this article! I have found that particular website has "quotes" that don't seem source-able elsewhere. In this day and age, everything should be traceable to a book, a scan of some primary source document, or at the very least, a public archive where the document can be found. Jjazz76 (talk) 00:36, 23 September 2024 (UTC)