Talk:Alex Thach/GA1

GA Review

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Nominator: Johnson524 (talk · contribs) 04:59, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: LunaEclipse (talk · contribs) 23:50, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello! This is my first GA review, so I might do some missteps here and there. Trying to step out my comfort zone to see what works and what doesn't for me. I will start adding comments in a few days. lunaeclipse ⚧ ^(talk) 23:50, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

@LunaEclipse: Thank you so much for taking up this review! I hope you at very least find the article an interesting read. Cheers from North Carolina 😁 Johnson524 00:34, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Prose & formatting

• 1a.
  • Prose is well-written, and does not have any issues with spelling or grammar. Only issue is that "Summoning Satan" is not title case for some reason.
    •  Done
      • "Rolling, which was created by fellow Tetris player Christopher Martinez ("Cheez") before the 2020 CTWC called "rolling", involves rolling the back of the controller with all five fingers to position the game pieces more quickly." — This sentence is not gramatically correct.
        •  Done WOW this was a bad sentence, I don't know how it got so frankensteined together but its fixed now Johnson524 05:24, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
• 1b.
  • No MOS issues with the lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and/or lists.
    • Y

Verifiability

• 2a.
  • No issues with ref formatting.
• 2b.
  • Here's where this becomes a bit tricky. You've cited aGameScout's YouTube video on Thach to "stay true to the original source". However, the use of this video violates Wikipedia's guideline on self-published sources: "Never use self-published sources as third-party sources about living people, even if the author is an expert, well-known professional researcher, or writer." The best course of action would be to rather rely on the more reliable sources that reference the video.
    •  Done This reference has been entirely removed now, but to do so, I added a few primary sources as citations. Can you double check to see if these are OK, or should these be removed altogether? Johnson524 19:59, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
  • Same thing for maxout.gg. It's community run so that guideline also applies to that website.
    •  Done
  • Thatch's videos, however, should be fine per WP:SELFSOURCE as they're not third party sources and contain uncontroversial self descriptions.
    • Y
  • CTM website gets a pass as it's just verifying his positions in the Tetris tournaments Thach participated in.
    • Y
  • Tetris Interest is a fan blog, making it unreliable. Either find another source to replace it or remove the source and its supporting statements altogether.
    •  Done
  • I'd recommend using the original GamesRadar source as the Inkl URL leads a mirror page.
    •  Done
• 2c.
  • Original research in the part about him mastering rolling, the technique itself, Thach's ethnicity, and the history of hypertapping.
    •  Partly done Removed the information about mastering rolling and Thach's ethnicity since neither were explicitly said, but the history of hypertapping and how its performed are well cited and supported explicitly by the article. I don't see what needs to be done here? Johnson524 19:59, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
      • Johnson524, the statements of Cheez being the creator of rolling and Joseph being the person who popularized hypertapping are not mentioned in the first paragraph of this section. None of the sources ([1] [2] [3]) you used in that part of the article support either of these claims. — 💽 LunaEclipse 💽 ⚧ ^{【=◈︿◈=】} 18:01, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
        •  Done Sorry again this took me a minute to fix! I added a source by the Polygon which confirms Cheez created the playing technique, and rephrased the part about Saelee popularizing hypertapping since this is only implied and not explicitly said in the source. Johnson524 05:21, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
• 2d.
  • Earwig returned a 7.4% similarity. Pass.
    • Y

Broadness

• 3a.
  • Covers his life, career, and playing style. IMO, I think it's enough to pass.
• 3b.
  • Article does not steer off-topic and focuses on Thach specifically. Pass.

Neutrality

• 4.
  • No bias towards any of the parties mentioned in the article, pass.

Stability

• 5.
  • No edit disputes in the last 14 days, pass.

Media

• 6a.
  • All images in the article are freely licensed. Pass.
• 6b.
  • Images are used and captioned appropriately. Pass.

@Johnson524: I will put this article on hold for the time being. The article is in good shape, but has some issues with verifiability.lunaeclipse ⚧ ^(talk) 21:07, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm not the nominator but tried to remove a bit of YouTube research from the article where possible. However I'm not familiar enough with the topic to do a more comprehensive removal of the YouTube/Maxout.gg sources. The input of the original nominator @Johnson524 would be useful at this point. StewdioMACK (talk) 08:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

@LunaEclipse: OK, minus a little more removal of the aGameScout source, all of your listed improvements are complete 🙂 I did ask for clarification on one of the things you said above if you could take a look at that. Sorry for the three day delay, life got really busy for a moment, but I should respond quickly to any new feedback now its the weekend. Thank you for your review and patience, and thank you @StewdioMACK: for helping out a bit too. Cheers! Johnson524 15:58, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

OK, all suggestions above have been replied to as of now. If you have any more suggestions, especially around better grammar/ways to word a sentence, please let me know. Cheers! Johnson524 19:59, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

@LunaEclipse: Sorry again for the delay in my response, is there anything else you want to see done to the article? I'm more than happy to hear all of your suggestions 🙂 Cheers! Johnson524 05:24, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Johnson524, here's a few last things you need to address before I pass the article.

• Citation 11b needs a timestamp.
• You should remove the sentence about Alex reaching LVL 41 because it's original research.
• Same thing for him getting doused in Parmesan by his mom.

— 💽 LunaEclipse 💽 ⚧ ^{【=◈︿◈=】} 12:17, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

@LunaEclipse: OK the first two were completed as told, but the third one I don't believe is original research, since all it is claiming is that his mother poured cheese on his head the 2024 CTWC, which there is video evidence of. This is as opposed to the level 41 claim which was original research (good catch btw) as there's technically no way to fact check that he was the first to this milestone as its just Alex making this claim on his channel. This, on the other hand, is the official recording of the CTWC which only shows that an action, not a claim, took place. Is it OK if this can be kept? Cheers! Johnson524 22:06, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Johnson524, sure, I guess. — 💽 LunaEclipse 💽 ⚧ ^{【=◈︿◈=】} 22:13, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

✓ Pass 💽 LunaEclipse 💽 ⚧ ^{【=◈︿◈=】} 22:14, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

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