Talk:Alexey Troitsky

Latest comment: 4 years ago by Rogermw in topic Sam Sloan "Trotzky"

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The first external link is broken. It most likely should be

http://www.jmrw.com/Chess/Troitzky/base.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.200.209.109 (talk) 12:52, 1 May 2008 (UTC)Reply

Alexey or Aleksei? Troitsky, Troitzky, Troitskii, or Troizky? Тро́ицкий or Троицкий?

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Google Translate translates "Алексе́й Алексе́евич Тро́ицкий" as "Alexei Troitsky" with "Aleksei" (but not Alexey) as an alternate spelling for the first word and "Troitskii" (but not "Troitsky") as an alternate spelling for the second word.

Amazon.com has a book ( http://www.amazon.com/360-Brilliant-Instructive-End-Games/dp/0486219593/ ) with a description "360 Brilliant and Instructive End Games. Aleksei Alekseevich Troitskii (Author)" but the cover image says "A. A. Troitzky"

When I enter "Алексе́й Алексе́евич Тро́ицкий" into the search box at http://ru.wikipedia.org it says "Did you mean: Алексе́й Алексе́евич Троицкий?" (the third character is different) but does not find a page. http://russiachess.org/persons_of_day/troizky/ uses the latter spelling (and "troizky" in the URL.) --Guy Macon (talk) 14:45, 4 May 2012 (UTC)Reply

I've seen most of those transliterations used in the literature. I don't know which is best. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 18:44, 4 May 2012 (UTC)Reply
There is no one transliteration system which is "the best". Some of the systems are used mostly in certain contexts (scientific transliteration, for example, works best in linguistics), but mostly the choice is left to the author. In Wikipedia, we are trying to be consistent and use the system described here, but of course if an exception needs to be made, we make it. At any rate, it is always a good idea to set up redirects for most common alternative spellings.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 11, 2012; 16:41 (UTC)

Troitsky vs Troitzky in the article

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At present Troitsky is used in the article title, the initial "Alexey Alexeyevich Troitsky", the main photo caption "A. A. Troitsky", a quote from Nunn 1995:265 which I assume we'll need to leave spelled exactly as Nunn had it, and down at the bottom of the article in the DEFAULTSORT.

Other than the instances of Troitsky mentioned above the article uses the spelling Troitzky 100% of the time in the lead and body. Based on the previous thread on this talk page it does not seem like there are strong feelings about one version or another but I thought I'd check here before updating the article to use "Troitsky" consistently.

FWIW - I was initially looking into the Troitsky line and found that on Wikipedia that we have:

Troitsky line Troitzky line
GBR code
Endgame tablebase
Fifty-move rule
Two knights endgame Two knights endgame

If the consensus is to use "Troitsky" then I'd like to update the Fifty-move rule and Two knights endgame articles too. --Marc Kupper|talk 09:18, 4 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

Yep use "Troitsky". Per WP:RUS, "ts" is the normal transliteration of the Russian letter "ц", and gets more google hits too. MaxBrowne (talk) 10:48, 4 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Looks like this is the right thing to do. Cobblet (talk) 19:37, 4 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
I've seen both in print and probably used both in articles here. I'll go with the consensus. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 00:02, 5 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Contributors (MaxBrowneCobbletBubba73), this is fixed across WP but while doing the work I ran into a sticky issue which is that all of his books were only published as by Troitzky. That seems to be a case for making his WP:COMMONNAME Troitzky. I'm concerned that a well meaning editor will see that we are using Troitsky consistently and will correct the authorship for his books where they are used as citations or bibliographies in one of the articles I updated. --Marc Kupper|talk 07:53, 9 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

Sam Sloan "Trotzky"

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Is the Sam Sloan quote from Collection of Chess Studies accurate? Did Sloan really spell his name "Trotzky"?

If so, this may qualify for a [sic] after the name in the quote.

-- Rogermw (talk) 22:40, 24 June 2020 (UTC)Reply