Talk:Alfred Zwiebel

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There are very few or no other information about this person. Is he real or a Hoax? -193.47.104.34 15:18, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

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Hello. I am the person who created the article, and I can assure you that Alfred Zwiebel was a real person. He was my father, and I therefore know firsthand that the information in the article is true. As he died at the age of 90, most of his life and his professional activities took place before the era of the internet, which is the principal reason there is no other information about him online. I have checked the websites of some of the places in which he exhibited as well as some of the newspapers that reviewed his work, but their online records don't go back to the time of his shows.

There is one link I have been able to find that will prove his existence and legitimacy as an artist, but it would involve a purchase to do so, and for that reason I did not think it appropriate to include it.

This link is: www.bamberg.de/museum/katalog2.htm. It contains a list of catalogs for sale by the Historical Museum Bamberg in Bamberg, Germany. The list includes the catalog entitled, "SYMBOL, OBJEKT, MOTIV: Der Bamberger Dom und seine Darstellungen in Malerei, Graphik und Kunsthandwerk vom Mittelalter bis zur Gegenwart" ("Symbol, Object, Motif: The Bamberg Cathedral and its Representation in Painting, Graphic Art and Crafts from the Middle Ages to the Present.")

Page 302 (Section VII, "The Cathedral in the Art of the 20th Century") of this catalog contains a description of two paintings of my father's that were included in the exhibition, with a large black-and-white illustration of one of them on page 303. (The description contains two factual errors, however: It says my father was born in Bamberg and that he emigrated to the United States in 1939. As you can see from my article, he was not born in Bamberg, and he emigrated in 1935.) Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be an actual copy of the catalog online (it is 345 pp. long), so the only way to verify my father's inclusion in it would be to buy it.

I will continue to search for any other possible web links to my father, but I doubt they exist. I am, however, in the process of creating a web presence for him. I will start with a website about him, in which I plan to include images of his work and, perhaps, press clippings, exhibition brochures, etc. I will, of course, include any such links in my Wikipedia article as soon as they are available. I also plan to enhance the Wikipedia article with some images of his work as soon as I learn how to do that technically!

Because Alfred Zwiebel was thus a very real person and a legitimate artist of some achievement, I respectfully object to the deletion of my article about him and am removing the template proposing its deletion, as the information contained in the template says I am entitled to do. I hope this explanation has assuaged your doubts and convinced you that the article merits inclusion in Wikipedia. Sincerely, Neidhart 00:29, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

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Hello, again. Here is some additional information you might find helpful concerning verifiable sources for my article. A Wikipedia user in Germany found a link to a website called www.p4a.com.ltd, "The web's first choice for antiques research." It lists a flower painting of my father's, together with a color photo. I did not know of the existence of this website or of my father's painting on it. To view it, you can go to [1]. (Sorry, I don't know how to make this appear as a clickable link.)

I can also provide a citation for the quote in my article comparing my father to Pissarro. It appeared in the Munich newspaper "Die Abendzeitung" on January 9, 1968, pg. 7 of the "Feuilleton" section, in an article entitled "Zwiebel-Ausstellung bei Schumacher" ("Zwiebel Exhibit at Schumacher) [n.b. a Munich art gallery].

And if you wish to verify others of my father's exhibitions, I can provide details on dates and venues. Sincerely, Neidhart 08:13, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Many thanks for the information! --83.77.91.45 17:41, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank YOU for your response and for showing me how to create a clickable link! --Neidhart 21:28, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Added Internal Links and amended date

I have added Internal Links and amended the date from 2030 to 1930. Kathleen.wright5 24:27, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I own two wonderful works that I purchased from the Black Watch in Forest Hills NY shortly after Alfred Zwiebel's death. Many examples of his work were on display their . He was an extrodinary artist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.90.21.193 (talk) 04:43, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

"The Black Watch" referred to by the contributor directly above is "Black Watch Fine Arts and Antiques" in Forest Hills (a section of New York City), NY. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Neidhart (talk • contribs) 19:10, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

External links

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If the external links contain information about Mr. Zwiebel, they should be used as references for the text, not external links. Cheers. Prince of Canada ^{t | c} 07:50, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Dear PrinceofCanada -- Hi, and thanks very much for your help in fixing my references, links, etc. I am muddling my way through here, trying to do things correctly, but haven't much experience at this. I'm afraid I don't really understand what you mean by "if the external links contain information about A. Zwiebel they should be references for the text, not external links." I can see how that would apply in re the radio log (which is substantiation for his having had a radio program on that station), and will try to move that link to the reference section (I thought all links to other online sites had to be "external").

But what about the other sites I have put in "external links", which are not references to anything in the text, but lead to other websites that mention him or show illustrations of his works --CAN/SHOULD THOSE REMAIN AS EXTERNAL LINKS?

Also, re your message of a day or two ago, I'm afraid many of the press reviews I am quoting won't be online, as they all predate the internet and may not be available in newspaper online archives. I have all the original clippings, and could email a copy to a Wikipedia editor if they really wanted to see it and gave me their email address, but I don't know how else they could be verified. In the meantime, I am entering the original German texts of the clipping, as I found somewhere on the Wikipedia site that one should do that when using foreign-language sources, yes?

I WILL GREATLY APPRECIATE YOUR FURTHER GUIDANCE -- MANY THANKS IN ADVANCE! (And I hope I put this message in the right place, where you will see it!) Neidhart (talk) 08:07, 3 October 2008 (UTC) ONE MORE QUESTION: What does this new message that just popped up on my article page, saying that someone has a Conflict of Interest with it, mean? How can I tell who, and what the conflict is, so that I can try to resolve it?

Hi Neidhart. External links can absolutely be used in references; they cannot be used as part of the main article text. Please read WP:CITE for a guide on how to make references. Yes, the external links should stay. As for the press reviews, please use the citation templates at WP:CITE and fill in as much information as possible. This allows people to look up your references in libraries, for example.

You are the one with the conflict of interest. I don't want to insult you, but I think that English is not your first language? A conflict of interest means that you are in a position where you might not be objective about the subject of the article, because the article is about your father. WP:COI has more information. Prince of Canada ^{t | c} 08:33, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Images

Hi, noticed you're having some trouble with images. If you go to WP:PIC, you will see a tutorial on how images work and how to put them in an article. Prince of Canada ^{t | c} 06:28, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, and more questions!

Hi PrinceofCanada -- Sorry I haven't gotten back to you until now to thank you for your additional guidance, which was very helpful. I just wanted to complete the text of the article as much as possible before replying, so that I could impose on you with a few more questions! And how silly of me to fail to realize that the conflict of interest is caused by my writing about my father. (A failure made worse by the fact that English IS my first language!) I have, however, tried to be very neutral and objective, and will leave it to the good offices of editors such as yourself to see if I have succeeded or to change things that might need to be changed.

I know I have made a lot of changes in recent days. (Sorry for all the edits -- in reality, I was just "thinking as I wrote," then saving so as not to lose my work, and then polishing, which accounts for the large number of seemingly, but not really, discrete edits.) This was prompted by recently seeing the notice that my article might be removed because it did not cite any references and might not meet the criteria for notability. I have added quite a bit of information to the article, and in general tightened the text, so that I think the article is now much better than it was. I do hope you will agree.

Which brings me to my QUESTIONS:

   1)  Does the article violate any COI principles? (I understand the COI alert will have to remain visible.)
   2)  Does the article now qualify as being sufficiently referenced to remove the notice saying it does not cite any references or sources?
   3)  Ditto for the notice re notability as a biography?

Many thanks, too, for your advice re uploading images. I read the tutorial, and will try to upload again tonight or tomorrow. You have been so kind and I am most grateful for all your help. Best wishes, Neidhart (talk) 07:25, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

1. COI is always violated when someone too close to the subject has edited the article. You seem to be fairly objective, but I can't judge that.

1. I cannot comment on whether the unreferenced notice should be removed, as I have edited the article too much to appear neutral.
2. see above.

Cheers. Prince of Canada ^{t | c} 07:33, 4 October 2008 (UTC)